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#1 Bob Vila

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Posted 13 December 2002 - 12:10 AM

i would like to know you guys opinion on this question. people at school all just think that the tis all that because that is what they use at the schools but my friends that i let use my 9850 all like it better than the ti-83s

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Posted 13 December 2002 - 01:14 AM

The Ti 83 sucks in my opinion, however the Ti 86 defintly has its merits, the only real drawback is that its basic programs run slower and slower with each loop.

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Posted 13 December 2002 - 04:29 AM

Ti vs Casio, the ultimate debate. Ok, I'm a casio fan first, but as I posted elsewhere, I own several of both makes. Direct comparison is tough. TI BASIC is actually a much more powerful version of basic (in that it allows quite a bit more to be done), but it is also quite a bit slower than Casio's version. In the math related fields, both are nice to have around. Casio's tend to be a much more easily used calc all said and done, and I don't like the notation of most of the TI calcs (although I've never tried anything above the TI-86), but also TI calcs usually are cabable of more. But not always something people usually notice. For example:
The cfx-9850 was supposed to counter the TI-86. The TI-86 could calculate for 30 unknown variables in simutaneous equations. The casio could do 6. Most users around me at least never noticed things like that though, because those problems were not dealt with commonly (at least not at the high school level). However, the casio's way of dealing with Matrix functions is superior to that of TI.
On the other hand there is the obvious, that is that TI allows string variables and ASM is supported. If casio would take a hint, I think their calcs would quickly dominate the market.

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Posted 13 December 2002 - 09:25 AM

Many people do say that the 9850 is slow, but comparing to other calculators, is it faster or slower than average? Could someone tell me what kind of speeds the casio models are like?

I mean, I've seen Bomberman and Space Invaders games on AFX running full speed like a computer and I look at my calculator struggling to keep up a playable speed in Snake!!! :(

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Posted 13 December 2002 - 11:22 AM

I think CASIO (cfx9850G) is better than TI (TI-92) only in the speed of displaying texts and graphic in system menus and in reaction on keypress

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Posted 13 December 2002 - 04:09 PM

Even if I'm a casio fan as well, I don't say that ti89 and ti92 are bad...
So I'd prefer casio even if someone would give a ti calto to me.

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Posted 13 December 2002 - 05:13 PM

humm ...
This poll on yaronet will not show same result (sorry for my english ! lol)

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Posted 13 December 2002 - 05:25 PM

Go cfx 9850 :lol:
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Posted 14 December 2002 - 04:04 PM

Casio 9850g rulez!

only the AFXs are better!

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Posted 14 December 2002 - 05:41 PM

In most games of any kind (yes, I'll get to the point soon! :rolleyes:) whatever is on screen can respond instantaneously to the keys you press. Is this just because of it's high speed allowing it to run through a loop millions of times per second, the ability to run multiple loops at once, or some special technique?

If so, can you explain how? B) Please? Are AFX calcs like this? On my 9850, if I press a button it can take 0.1 to 2 seconds to respond, depending where in my loop it is. For huge RPG's (like Secret of Aan) these loops are long, which is why people complain it is slow! :(

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Posted 14 December 2002 - 07:25 PM

Well, proper programming, for example with interrupts is a huge factor that increases speed. Apart from that, the basic language of the calculator does not support this - the calculator is slow and the basic interpreter is making things worse. For the programs are not pre-compiled, which would surely speed them up a lot.

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Posted 14 December 2002 - 08:10 PM

One word: This is no fair comparison by any means.

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Posted 15 December 2002 - 11:18 AM

i think :
-TI :
thniks their are the best
the ti-89 has good functions
the insterface is shit
the way to launch asm programs aswell
when you need to differentiate a ft, you cannot just write diff(x^2
ity will ask the letter to diff, the way and the last )
-Casio :
the basic language is SHIT
the menu is good
the calc organization is goog
the x86 system is well hidden !
we can do whatever we want with assembly !

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Posted 13 October 2004 - 03:50 AM

In ninth grade, I bought a Casio Cfx 9850+ for use in basic algebra.

At the time, it was my first graphing calculator and I thought it was *so cool*. I eventually took to learning the calculator's programming language, which has lead these days to my major in programming.

Anyway, for a long time, I thought the Casio CFX-9850+ was so much better than the Ti-83 Plus. I remember saying "Oh yeah, those stupid Ti-83s don't even have screen colors. They suck!"

Then in 11th grade, I switched over to the Ti-83 Plus. From the very moment I opened the calculator case, I realized the differences. The Ti-83 Plus could do SO MUCH MORE than the Casio - and much faster also. Not to mention that the basic language was much closer to actual computer basic and much more powerful (ie: string manipulation, which is pretty much impossible on the Casio). I found that the programs I created for the Ti-83 Plus were much more advanced than those written on the Casio, and not because I had become a better programmer.

Rather than waste precious processor use on a shitty color screen GUI, the Ti-83 Plus utilizes processor power to produce graphs on a much higher-resolution screen. Furthermore, the mathematical functions available to use for graphs are better - much more up to the speed of actual high school math.

In short, I bought myself a Ti-83 Plus in 11th grade (and last November, a Ti-89, which is THE most powerful graphing calculator on the market) and have not gone back to Casio since. My Casio CFX-9850 Plus is gathering dust on a shelf here in my room. It doesn't look like I'll ever use it for math class again. Everything seems to be so much easier on the Ti-83 Plus or Ti-89 than on the Casio. Rather than search through endless menus on the bottom of the screen, the Ti-83/89 allows you to access functions by the "2nd" button. It features a substantially more powerful basic language and (the Ti-83) is a much more powerful calculator.

I suppose the Casio CFX-9850 Plus is the "Ti-83/Ti-83 Plus" of the Casio graphing calculator line. If that's the case, I think that Casio should try to produce some graphing calculators that actually compete with Ti-83 Pluses, Ti-89s, and the like.

Just my two cents.

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Posted 13 October 2004 - 04:06 AM

If that's the case, I think that Casio should try to produce some graphing calculators that actually compete with Ti-83 Pluses, Ti-89s, and the like.

afx? classpad?

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Posted 13 October 2004 - 05:19 AM

hehe, your a bit behind the times ;)

checkout www.claspad.org :D

the classpad is more powerfull than the Ti-89 SE and about equivelent to the Voyage 200. the classpad is really the best calc for your money right now (ive used a Voyage and like the classpad more)

the Algebra FX2.0 is about equivelent to the ti-89 or 89 (somewhere in between depending on what you want to do) and is exceptionally good for game programming (check the file sharing, you can download an emulator and try out some games).

currently the CFX series is like the little deformed puppy that everybody pities but wants nothing to do with unless they absolutely must... of course even CFX users pitty the fx-7400 users :lol2:

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Posted 13 October 2004 - 01:46 PM

The TI interface just sucks, CASIO is much better, but TIs are also capable of doing some things that you can't do with CASIO calcs.

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Posted 13 October 2004 - 04:33 PM

I would like to see the TI-89 on the poll. From the TI-80 up through the TI-86 TI has used the same processer and improved on the same design. The TI-89, 92, and Voyager 200 were designed with a new processer and a whole new operating system. I have used lots of TI83s and I think maybe every model before the TI-89 (except the new TI84) and I think the AFX beats them hands down. In my opinion, however, the TI89 is definitly a superior calculator than the AFX. I have heard many HP fans say the TI interface is "crap" but I think the interface is as good or better than the AFX or the HP48GX I have. The AFX does have some advantages over the TI89, of course, but side by side I would pick the TI89 easily.

the classpad is more powerfull than the Ti-89 SE and about equivelent to the Voyage 200.


What makes you say this? There is no TI89 SE but if you mean the TI89 Titanium then it uses the exact same operating system as the Voyage 200. The titanium has about the same amount of FLASH as the V200 and comes with the same programs installed. You should also note that the old TI89 (which has been out how long? 5,6,7 years?) can use the same OS the new calcs have and 14 of the 16 programs the new calcs (TI89 Ti and V200) come with are freely available.

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Posted 13 October 2004 - 04:48 PM

yes, i did mean Titanium ;)
and ive seen them compared before by a Ti user, he changed his future calc-to-buy from the Ti89 to the CP :)

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Posted 14 October 2004 - 12:18 PM

@AlephMobius
Comparing the TI89 with a HP48 series calculator is not fair unless you have a 48GX and you use the MetaKernel, you should compare the TI89 with the HP49 series, and comparing TI89 with an AFX is not fair either you should compare it with the CP.

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Posted 14 October 2004 - 07:46 PM

I think the interface of the CP (tried on emu) is more difficult than
of the AFX. I found it quite unhandy and had difficulties to find
certain functions,

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Posted 14 October 2004 - 08:07 PM

it takes some getting used to, especially when you'r used to AFX/CFX menus :)

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Posted 14 October 2004 - 09:19 PM

@ROOKIE: I have an HP48GX with MK and an AFX and that is why I compared them to the TI89. I can't compare it to the CP or the HP49G because I own neither. If you want to be entirely fair, the 48 series did came out long before the TI89 so it is understandable that it wouldn't be as advanced. However, many people still prefer the HP. As for my opinions, I can only comment on the calculators I own and in my opinion the TI89 is the best.

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Posted 15 October 2004 - 11:00 AM

@AlephMobius
Sorry, i just said that because some people don't like the HP calcs because they work in RPN, and as you can see i own a HP49G and a CFX 9850, and all of my friends own a TI89 (for cheating in exams :banghead: , the only thing they learned to do with the calc) or a CFX/AFX, so i can compare this calcs and in my opinion from the three brands that came up here the interface of the TIs is the one that i dislike the most, as you probably know if you use soft menus instead of choose boxes in the HPs they start to work very similar to the Casio calcs, that is, you can access the functions faster and in the TI or you recall something from history or you have to type it of browse though the menus (sometimes to functions buried under lots of sub-menus).
The things that i like the most in HPs is the RPN (i can work a lot faster) and the ability to make the calc work how i want (you don't like somethig? change a few flags and you'll get what you want), and another thing, you (and everybody else for that matter) should first see what thay want the calculator for and then say wich one is the best calc, taking into acount the add-in software available for that particular calc, beacause that, in my opinion can change the whole picture when deciding wich calculator to buy ;)

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Posted 16 October 2004 - 01:12 AM

http://www.charliewa...io/cascomp.html

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Posted 16 October 2004 - 03:09 PM

I am member of Dysfunction Programming, of which Crimsoncasio is also member from, and i am active member of TI community. I also like Casio's, i'll maybe buy one some time later :P Well, i can say this: TI-82: average / TI-83: average/ TI-83+: good / TI-83+ Silver Edition: good / TI-84+: good / TI-84+ Silver Edition: rather good / TI-85: average / TI-86: averagely good / TI-89: rather good / TI-89 Titanium: extremely good / TI-92: good / TI-92+: rather good / TI Voyage 200: extremely good / (the casio's i know) CFX: average / AFX: rather good / Classpad: extremely good. I said this biased not on own opinions, but on how good they ARE (cpu, memory, screen size, functions, what they can do) :)

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Posted 16 October 2004 - 10:14 PM

/ TI-92: good / TI-92+: rather good /

I would say TI-92 sucks, TI-92+ is good
I know what I'm saying because I had TI-92 and I have TI-89 which is almost compatible with TI-92+.
btw. AFX is almost as good as TI-89

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Posted 20 October 2004 - 02:54 PM

Well, everyone his opinion, but ya know, i have TI-83/+, so 92 is MUCH better ;) Not my faulth ^_^ And i think the BEST calc atm is the TI-89 Titanium, followed by the AFX and Voyage 200... Not including HP, but who cares about HP? :D

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Posted 21 October 2004 - 03:11 AM

I know it is just opinions here but maybe we could run a huge benchmark. I got to thinking of that after I saw the site 4nic8 recommended. It only has older calcs.

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Posted 21 October 2004 - 04:19 PM

Yea but only with TI and Casio, no HP or any other! :D

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Posted 21 October 2004 - 10:57 PM

Why do you say no HPs or others? From what I have read, the newest HP does a lot of things faster than the TI89 and the TI89 is one of the fastest out there. The TI89 does some stuff faster so it seems to be a tie but I think the HP may still be worth including. I don't remember the URL but there is a site timing many things to compare the TI89 and HP49G+. Maybe we could run the identical tests on Casios and whatever other calculators y'all have.

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Posted 22 October 2004 - 03:52 PM

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Who Cares about HP ?! just wait until the HP programmers translate all the SATURN code to ARM code and then you'll see wich one is faster :D

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Posted 22 October 2004 - 04:09 PM

TI-89 Titanium is da best, no calc is better! HP sucks, no real community, and the calcs just plain suck donkey balls.

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Posted 22 October 2004 - 09:25 PM

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What makes you say that? The HP community has an active IRC channel just like TI, an archive site that is updated regularly just like ticalc.org, and a newsgroup that is updated many times per day. There are not a great number of forums like TI has but what more do you need for a community? I'm not saying you can't think that HPs "just plain suck donkey balls" but which calcs did you try that made you feel that?

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Posted 21 November 2004 - 03:25 PM

casio basic suxx hard, i have a 9850gb+
math functions are... ok, but basic :banghead:
i already overclocked it to 8mhz and upgraded to 64kb
a friend even did it with a switch, so he can still use the link function!

ti 89 would just rock, one could even play games in boring math classes :D
a friend had a ti-92, this was already a cool thing! ti voyage then would be awesome.

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Posted 21 November 2004 - 04:45 PM

but the AFX is far supirour to ti - 89 as we can run asm and C games on them :P

oh and the classpad 300 outdoes all of the other calcs.

it would also be nice if you signed up / logged in to disscus this as just poping along and slaging off somthing isnt the best idea :)

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Posted 21 November 2004 - 06:43 PM

but the AFX is far supirour to ti - 89 as we can run asm and C games on them

I hope that isn't the only reason you think the AFX better. The TI89 can be programmed in asm and C as well.

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Posted 21 November 2004 - 06:51 PM

I hope that isn't the only reason you think the AFX better. The TI89 can be programmed in asm and C as well.

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And the games on TI89 are usually better than the ones you can find for AFX :(

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Posted 12 December 2004 - 11:30 PM

Well, i am just reading this post and i can't tolerate that you don't count on the hp calculators. As someone said that your "best calculator" depends on how you use it (programing, math, applications or just cheating on exams), my opiinion is that hpcalculator are the best for programing ( in the latest version hp49g+, you can program in USERRPL, SYS, ML (saturn) and ML(ARM) :P ).

About other function well...each one has their advantages.But one thing... Can you customize your calculator like assigning keys, changing appearance or changing OS inclusive???

In my oponion...TIs are best for doing numerical and symbolical operations.

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Posted 13 December 2004 - 06:42 AM

The only problems are that, according to my experiences they are
quite difficult to handle. The do not have an userfriendly interface and
not much memory at all.

On the (A)FX you can code in:

ASM
C
Pascal
Casio BASIC
so you don't have "MORE" lanuages but we have the better ones since
the AFX/FX uses a 286 compatible processor.

So porting from PC to Calc is quite easy.

And yes, we can change keys using ASM to change the keyboard interrupt and this way reprogram the keys.

And about changin the OS. Well ok this is on the ROM and therefor can not be changed but anyways we can patch into it using the interrupts
and therefor change pretty much everything (if we only knew where "everything is :) ).




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