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Posted 16 April 2011 - 09:01 PM

Why is everyone talking about the OS update problems ? I can't even find more than a couple of recent posts ( google Nspire group ) about this. One, the girl tried a second time and it worked. The second, the TI website had technical difficulties and someone couldn't download the file at that time. There have to be more recent and critical problems regarding this for you guys to keep bringing it up. Right ? Plus, if you purchased a cx it would already have 3.0 on it.


There were many posts from teachers who could not succeed in upgrading after OS 3.0 was introduced and their were posts on this scattered among the other posts on the Google nspire site for quite a while after 3.0 was introduced. You can read some of them here:
http://groups.google...5a6b0fbf9d010c#
You mention recent posts. Keep in mind that only about half a dozen recent posts show when you go to that site and usually there or three or four new posts that originate daily. Yes, many teachers had problems upgrading to OS 3.0 and I suspect that by now that they found ways to do it so they no longer talk about it. It is brought up because a similiar fiasco occurred for the last major nspire OS upgrade. That continues the trend of TI spining their product as if it is a panacea, then releasing stuff that needs to be fixed later. As someone mentioned they should take the time to do the job correctly and not release stuff that needs to be fixed later. Ti needs to fix that problem.

An important example of the poor quality ti stuff that hasn't been getting any attention is the npsire keyboard. GO TO WALMART AND LOOK AT THE SMALL CLOSELY SPACED ALPHABET KEYS. YOU CAN SEEM THEN THRU THE PACKAGE WITHOUT OPENING THE PACKAGE. THEN PLACE THE TIP OF YOUR INDEX FINGER ON ONE OF THE CENTER KEYS AND YOU WILL SEE THAT IT ALSO COVERS SOME OR ALL OF THE ADJACENT KEYS! IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT? THAT IS A TERRIBLE DESIGN. How do you press just one key? That keyboard is very inferior to the previous ti calculator keyboards and I don't see how people can use it with out making a lot of input errors. Perhaps ti will fix that problem (perhaps) and sell you a new and improved expensive nspire but why did they come out with such a poor design? So that they could fix it later?

Keep in mind that the OS 3.0 deSolve function has a bug in it that was documented by teachers on the Google nspire site. So if you purchase a cx and it has OS 3.0 on it ti has sold you a product with a correctable flaw in it. Is that what you want? Is that the kind of company you want to do business with? If so go for it.

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Posted 17 April 2011 - 02:24 PM

....... Perhaps ti will fix that problem (perhaps) and sell you a new and improved expensive nspire but why did they come out with such a poor design? So that they could fix it later?

Keep in mind that the OS 3.0 deSolve function has a bug in it that was documented by teachers on the Google nspire site. So if you purchase a cx and it has OS 3.0 on it ti has sold you a product with a correctable flaw in it. Is that what you want? Is that the kind of company you want to do business with? If so go for it.


First, the product isn't even out yet. They could release a firmware update at or soon after release. They probably won't do it so soon, but they might.

It's nigh impossible to remove every single bug or problem from a product that is about to release. I know of no product that has ever been released that's been perfect. That said, you could postpone the release until this problem is fixed. By that time another problem appears and you postpone again... etc. I agree that any new product should be as good as they can make it for the intended market, but are you suggesting that if I had purchased a Classpad in the past I'd have no problems ?

Terrible Problem With Laplace And V3.03
Classpad Bug Reports
It still can't do this ?? Polar math
Again - Electrical Engineers need this. Polar math

The first link even mentions one guy who has a classpad "bug book". Not to knock classpad specifically but to me this implies all products have problems, growing pains, etc. Yes, TI sucks for taking away features, for locking down programming features, for ignoring hard core users, for catering to requirements of the certified tests. On the other hand TI has at least been putting out twice yearly software updates, semi-frequent hardware updates ( when's the last time we had a major Classpad hardware refresh ? ).

All I'm asking is for a little more perspective. It's tempting to jump on the "I hate TI" hate train considering some of the decisions that affect what I'd call hard core calculator users. Hard core meaning generally mostly professionals and/or users who want to get the most out of their calculator ( like programming ). On the other hand, the Nspire is a very powerful calculator with a lot of potential and might be a good product depending on what your needs will be. And ( cross your fingers ) if TI doesn't lock us out of using LUA to do some moderate level programming it's looking even better.

I do agree with you about the keys being too small. Since they decided to put an alpha keyboard on the product I'm not sure what other options there were ( slide out keyboard for the letters ? Keys being more multi-function ? ). At any rate, while I can find an occasional complaint about the keys being too small and cramped I'm not seeing widespread complaints about it on the boards. And you'd think people would complain loudly ( I would ) if you couldn't use the calculator.

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Posted 17 April 2011 - 02:45 PM

First, the product isn't even out yet. They could release a firmware update at or soon after release. They probably won't do it so soon, but they might.


Oops, had to correct myself I did forget that the OS itself has been released already even though the cx model hasn't. At any rate, they probably let the bug slip through QA and we'll have to wait and see if they don't fix it until the fall. Hopefully sooner but I wouldn't count on it.

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Posted 17 April 2011 - 09:19 PM

There is quite a bit that needs to be said. In reply to your statement that: "All I'm asking is for a little more perspective." You want perspective? I'll give you perspective! I have watched how Large corporations like TI have pursued their only purpose in life, greed(!), in an amoral fashion, by downsizing to where today a job is temporary and when you complete the project you have to find another job because the company has no loyality to its employees. I have watched how these corporations being consumed by greed have resorted to paying their bills later and later and at the same time they try to renegotiate a better price and bigger discount sometimes even after recieving the the supplies. Yes, like inbreeds they have screwed their own people, then they screwed their suppliers and now they are screwing you the customer by making excuses for quality problems instead of promptly fixing them. You want perspective, thats perspective. Take a good look at that cheap keyboard on the nspires with its miniature (cheap quality) alpha keys and then take a look, a good look at the Prizm! And don't forget that TI CAN fix the known software bugs promptly if they decide to, and the cx product does not have to have a flawed desolve function but as long as people like you make excuses for ti, they don't have to fix the problem. Ti can sell customers like you products that have to be fixed by updates because you are making excuses for them! Thats perspective! You are either a ti employee making excuses for your company or an effin' idiot and I resent people who don't have enough backbone to stand up and say no more! I'm tired of being disappointed by poor quality products that need to be fixed. I want and I deserve better that that and I am not going to throw my money away on a product that doesn't work right, in the hope that it will be fixed later (if at all), with a software update or superceeded by a newer model that I then have to buy. THATS THE STUPIDEST THING I EVER HEARD OF! If ti wants my money, then they need to fix the desolve problem and any other known quality problems first, and I'll think about buying the product later, after I know for sure that it is a quality product.

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Posted 17 April 2011 - 09:58 PM

There is quite a bit that needs to be said. In reply to your statement that: "All I'm asking is for a little more perspective." You want perspective? I'll give you perspective! I have watched how Large corporations like TI have pursued their only purpose in life, greed(!), in an amoral fashion, by downsizing to where today a job is temporary and when you complete the project you have to find another job because the company has no loyality to its employees. I have watched how these corporations being consumed by greed have resorted to paying their bills later and later and at the same time they try to renegotiate a better price and bigger discount sometimes even after recieving the the supplies. Yes, like inbreeds they have screwed their own people, then they screwed their suppliers and now they are screwing you the customer by making excuses for quality problems instead of promptly fixing them. You want perspective, thats perspective. Take a good look at that cheap keyboard on the nspires with its miniature (cheap quality) alpha keys and then take a look, a good look at the Prizm! And don't forget that TI CAN fix the known software bugs promptly if they decide to, and the cx product does not have to have a flawed desolve function but as long as people like you make excuses for ti, they don't have to fix the problem. Ti can sell customers like you products that have to be fixed by updates because you are making excuses for them! Thats perspective! You are either a ti employee making excuses for your company or an effin' idiot and I resent people who don't have enough backbone to stand up and say no more! I'm tired of being disappointed by poor quality products that need to be fixed. I want and I deserve better that that and I am not going to throw my money away on a product that doesn't work right, in the hope that it will be fixed later (if at all), with a software update or superceeded by a newer model that I then have to buy. THATS THE STUPIDEST THING I EVER HEARD OF! If ti wants my money, then they need to fix the desolve problem and any other known quality problems first, and I'll think about buying the product later, after I know for sure that it is a quality product.


I agree totally with everything that you said except for your comment that someone is an effin' idiot. He/she may be young and naive and in need of the benefit of your knowledge and experience but that doesn't make him or her an effin' idiot.

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Posted 17 April 2011 - 10:56 PM

There is quite a bit that needs to be said. In reply to your statement that: "All I'm asking is for a little more perspective." You want perspective? I'll give you perspective! I have watched how Large corporations like TI have pursued their only purpose in life, greed(!), in an amoral fashion, by downsizing to where today a job is temporary and when you complete the project you have to find another job because the company has no loyality to its employees. I have watched how these corporations being consumed by greed have resorted to paying their bills later and later and at the same time they try to renegotiate a better price and bigger discount sometimes even after recieving the the supplies. Yes, like inbreeds they have screwed their own people, then they screwed their suppliers and now they are screwing you the customer by making excuses for quality problems instead of promptly fixing them. You want perspective, thats perspective. Take a good look at that cheap keyboard on the nspires with its miniature (cheap quality) alpha keys and then take a look, a good look at the Prizm! And don't forget that TI CAN fix the known software bugs promptly if they decide to, and the cx product does not have to have a flawed desolve function but as long as people like you make excuses for ti, they don't have to fix the problem. Ti can sell customers like you products that have to be fixed by updates because you are making excuses for them! Thats perspective! You are either a ti employee making excuses for your company or an effin' idiot and I resent people who don't have enough backbone to stand up and say no more! I'm tired of being disappointed by poor quality products that need to be fixed. I want and I deserve better that that and I am not going to throw my money away on a product that doesn't work right, in the hope that it will be fixed later (if at all), with a software update or superceeded by a newer model that I then have to buy. THATS THE STUPIDEST THING I EVER HEARD OF! If ti wants my money, then they need to fix the desolve problem and any other known quality problems first, and I'll think about buying the product later, after I know for sure that it is a quality product.


Please calm down, just a little. I don't think you're stupid and there's no need to resort to this kind of behavior.

First, you didn't offer any perspective at all. You ranted about corporations and loyalty to employees but honestly it's a little confusing. Are you saying TI does X and Y and the other manufacturers don't ? If so, please at least provide some links, news stories and so on to prove your point. And while you're trying to prove the point against TI please do the research about Casio and HP to see just how exceptionally different and perfect those companies are and treat their employees.

Second, I'm not saying you should buy the product if you think it's not worth it. I think you need to vote with your money, absolutely. But please don't call people idiots for not seeing things your way. Quite a few points you ( and a couple others here ) offer against TI could certainly be turned around to similar instances where Casio and HP did the same thing. Not everything, I grant you that. But you offer an obviously filtered and biased view when you don't turn the magnifying glass onto the very company(ies ) that you prefer.

Not everyone is going to want to boycott a company or product for the same reasons you do. I will say that had I been on an Nspire or HP forum and they started bashing the classpad or Prizm but neglected to 'turn the magnifying glass around' I would have been just as outspoken. I don't have a preferred brand or brand loyalty. I just enjoy the forum. It's a nice forum and there are generally nice and interesting people here. I supposed it's kind of odd how many threads are related to calculators other than the Casio brand but on the other hand it keeps things interesting.

No, I don't work for TI but from all the 'inside knowledge' about temp employees and so on I take it you do ( or did ) ?

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Posted 18 April 2011 - 03:24 AM

Please calm down, just a little. I don't think you're stupid and there's no need to resort to this kind of behavior.

First, you didn't offer any perspective at all. You ranted about corporations and loyalty to employees but honestly it's a little confusing. Are you saying TI does X and Y and the other manufacturers don't ? If so, please at least provide some links, news stories and so on to prove your point. And while you're trying to prove the point against TI please do the research about Casio and HP to see just how exceptionally different and perfect those companies are and treat their employees.

Second, I'm not saying you should buy the product if you think it's not worth it. I think you need to vote with your money, absolutely. But please don't call people idiots for not seeing things your way. Quite a few points you ( and a couple others here ) offer against TI could certainly be turned around to similar instances where Casio and HP did the same thing. Not everything, I grant you that. But you offer an obviously filtered and biased view when you don't turn the magnifying glass onto the very company(ies ) that you prefer.

Not everyone is going to want to boycott a company or product for the same reasons you do. I will say that had I been on an Nspire or HP forum and they started bashing the classpad or Prizm but neglected to 'turn the magnifying glass around' I would have been just as outspoken. I don't have a preferred brand or brand loyalty. I just enjoy the forum. It's a nice forum and there are generally nice and interesting people here. I supposed it's kind of odd how many threads are related to calculators other than the Casio brand but on the other hand it keeps things interesting.

No, I don't work for TI but from all the 'inside knowledge' about temp employees and so on I take it you do ( or did ) ?


I called out Mojovel for calling you an idiot but I do agree with the rest of his message. Totally. Ti has quality problems because they constantly cut the corners to make more money. It "is" a problem that is built into their culture and it cannot be justified by what some other company did or didn't do which you seem to want to do.

The Japanese culture and value system is very different from the U.S. culture and value system. They captured many U.S. markets by simply having the best product. They sell quality products while U.S. companies practice deception to cover up their lack of quality. They call it spin. As an example, just look at the Prizm keyboard and compare it to the nspire keyboard as was mentioned. The Prizm keyboard represents quality while the nspire keyboard is very poor and represents a design that is the cheapest to make and gives the customer the poorest experience in use.

Any Japanese design will stand the test of time but the U.S. design only lasts as long as they can trick you into thinking it is a good product. It is only good enough to get by and shortly U. S. customers will be switching from ti to Casio for calculators just like many switched from the U.S. automakers products to Honda and Toyota. Yes, Casio will come out with a new CAS calculator with a color screen that will smoke ti's cx cas and I will buy it for the same reason that I bought a Toyota. Because it's a superior product.

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Posted 19 April 2011 - 02:51 AM

More problems with ti's updating mechanism to OS 3.0? Read this posted today:
http://groups.google...2fdb5b244a8ae66

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Posted 19 April 2011 - 12:05 PM

I have 4 remote controls. One for the TV, one for a DVD player and 2 for Vhs players and none of them have buttons as closely spaced as the alpha buttons on the nspire. Clearly the designer at ti that set up those closely spaced tiny buttons didn't benefit from the experience of other designs such as remote controls and is just plain incompetent. Ti is going to have to redesign that keyboard and the sooner they do it the better. How strange that a large company like ti wouldn't have better design people. It is just plain amatuerish to come out with such a poorly designed keyboard and reflects some sort of people change from the days when ti produced the 84,89, and voyage. I can only view the nspire package/keyboard as a joke :roflol: and certainly not something that people should spend their money on. Perhaps ti is overconfident and assumes that they can sell anything including poorly designed products to the general public and teachers in particular. I am a teacher.

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Posted 21 April 2011 - 10:14 AM

I have 4 remote controls. One for the TV, one for a DVD player and 2 for Vhs players and none of them have buttons as closely spaced as the alpha buttons on the nspire. Clearly the designer at ti that set up those closely spaced tiny buttons didn't benefit from the experience of other designs such as remote controls and is just plain incompetent. Ti is going to have to redesign that keyboard and the sooner they do it the better. How strange that a large company like ti wouldn't have better design people. It is just plain amatuerish to come out with such a poorly designed keyboard and reflects some sort of people change from the days when ti produced the 84,89, and voyage. I can only view the nspire package/keyboard as a joke :roflol: and certainly not something that people should spend their money on. Perhaps ti is overconfident and assumes that they can sell anything including poorly designed products to the general public and teachers in particular. I am a teacher.


The test to see if ti is over confident is coming up pretty soon. The cx products are due out (will be available) any time now and probably in April and if they have OS 3.0, then ti is vastly over confident and assuming that they can sell anything because it is known that the desolve function in OS 3.0 is buggy and doesn't work right. To introduce and attempt to sell a product that doesn't work right would be over the top and inexcusible even for ti.

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Posted 21 April 2011 - 11:55 AM

The test to see if ti is over confident is coming up pretty soon. The cx products are due out (will be available) any time now and probably in April and if they have OS 3.0, then ti is vastly over confident and assuming that they can sell anything because it is known that the desolve function in OS 3.0 is buggy and doesn't work right. To introduce and attempt to sell a product that doesn't work right would be over the top and inexcusible even for ti.


I wish someone would start a list of "the things that ti doesn't tell you" like for example their 3d graphing does not include parametric graphing which means you can not graph 3d lines and curves. The more I learn the more disappointing the forth coming cx and cx cas becomes.

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Posted 22 April 2011 - 12:08 AM

I wish someone would start a list of "the things that ti doesn't tell you" like for example their 3d graphing does not include parametric graphing which means you can not graph 3d lines and curves. The more I learn the more disappointing the forth coming cx and cx cas becomes.


Yeh, the problem is that ti builds expectations with their advertizing and when you find out the details that they leave out it's very disappointing. Like their great new cx graphing capability. They conveniently forgot to tell you that it won't plot lines and curves because it doesn't have parametric graphing capability. So what you are getting is a "severely limited 3d graphing capability" that only plots surfaces.

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Posted 22 April 2011 - 12:23 AM

Yeh, the problem is that ti builds expectations with their advertizing and when you find out the details that they leave out it's very disappointing. Like their great new cx graphing capability. They conveniently forgot to tell you that it won't plot lines and curves because it doesn't have parametric graphing capability. So what you are getting is a "severely limited 3d graphing capability" that only plots surfaces.


Don't all companies do that?

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Posted 22 April 2011 - 12:27 AM

Don't all companies do that?


I think an honest and honorable company will offer a satisfaction guarentee for a short period of time. The companies who cannot be trusted won't. Their whole intention is to decieve you, get your money and move on to other suckers.

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Posted 22 April 2011 - 06:15 PM

I think an honest and honorable company will offer a satisfaction guarentee for a short period of time. The companies who cannot be trusted won't. Their whole intention is to decieve you, get your money and move on to other suckers.


I see where nspire OS 3.0 has had another major flaw identified. Go to the google nspire site at:
http://groups.google...09cd4b042675933
and scroll down to the post by Lionel Debroux on Apr 21 at 11:58Pm. Apparently cZeros (along with desolve) doesn't work correctly when OS 3.0 are used. Just another indication that ti needs to get its quality under control and it makes me wonder if ti eliminated the quality control function as a cost saving measure. :nonono:

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Posted 23 April 2011 - 01:14 PM

I see where nspire OS 3.0 has had another major flaw identified. Go to the google nspire site at:
http://groups.google...09cd4b042675933
and scroll down to the post by Lionel Debroux on Apr 21 at 11:58Pm. Apparently cZeros (along with desolve) doesn't work correctly when OS 3.0 are used. Just another indication that ti needs to get its quality under control and it makes me wonder if ti eliminated the quality control function as a cost saving measure. :nonono:


Aw-Ha! That sounds about right! To save money and make more profit ti probably eliminated or severely reduced the quality control function. That would explain what we are seeing and make sense because their thinking could be to use the customer to do the quality control function of testing design changes with no benefits (free service from the customer who pays for the device!). That fits with what we are seeing that ti throws the design out there for use and fixes the flaws later if at all. Well they can count me out. Until they fix the cx flaws I'm not buying and if Casio comes out with a better design I'm not buying the cx at all. I've had it with ti's shanigans.

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Posted 23 April 2011 - 01:58 PM

I called out Mojovel for calling you an idiot but I do agree with the rest of his message. Totally. Ti has quality problems because they constantly cut the corners to make more money. It "is" a problem that is built into their culture and it cannot be justified by what some other company did or didn't do which you seem to want to do.

The Japanese culture and value system is very different from the U.S. culture and value system. They captured many U.S. markets by simply having the best product. They sell quality products while U.S. companies practice deception to cover up their lack of quality. They call it spin. As an example, just look at the Prizm keyboard and compare it to the nspire keyboard as was mentioned. The Prizm keyboard represents quality while the nspire keyboard is very poor and represents a design that is the cheapest to make and gives the customer the poorest experience in use.

Any Japanese design will stand the test of time but the U.S. design only lasts as long as they can trick you into thinking it is a good product. It is only good enough to get by and shortly U. S. customers will be switching from ti to Casio for calculators just like many switched from the U.S. automakers products to Honda and Toyota. Yes, Casio will come out with a new CAS calculator with a color screen that will smoke ti's cx cas and I will buy it for the same reason that I bought a Toyota. Because it's a superior product.


First, this isn't all directed toward you. Just kind of in general.

I don't fault anyone for purchasing a Toyota. I did the same thing after I got screwed by Ford. And when Toyota inevitably does it to me I'll switch again.

I'm not defending the TI practices you mention because I'd first have to believe they are true. What I'm saying is this sounds a bit like talk radio in the U.S. Both political parties suck to great degrees yet you only hear complaints about one party. So to me putting a little pressure on Casio by at least mentioning their products faults ( even time ) might help make both products better. For example, the programming bug on the Prizm that caused the graphics ( locate ? ) special character glitch. At the time of the glitch, before they fixed it, if I mentioned that someone would probably say "yeah but there's a work around for that now" or "yeah but they will fix that in the next OS update". But had it been TI you'd hear "Nobody should release a product with bugs - period ! There is no excuse".

If the Prizm had released with 6 times the memory of the Nsprie CX you would have heard "Wow, TI sucks. They release a color screen, knowing that the images will take up lots more memory yet don't provide adequate memory" Now that the opposite has happened if someone said the same about the Prizm you'd hear "What the hell do you need that much memory for anyway ? There's no need for it. TI has no clue where to focus their energy"

If I had posted "I am afraid to purchase a Prizm because maybe I won't like it or something better will come out" someone would have said "Go ahead and buy it. You can probably sell it to someone later". Yet, when I mention the same about selling the Nspire CX here comes the hysteria ( one page back ). I'm not bashing that guy. He has his experiences and his fears apparently, but I can tell you that I have sold literally thousands of things online ( ebay, half, Amazon ) - and very rarely have a problem and tend to get around 80% ( probably best case ) of my original price back. And you don't have to "cash checks" if you accept pay pal or if you use Amazon they take care of it for you. Again, my point is just that if the brand had been Casio then all these problems wouldn't have been mentioned but when it's about selling a TI calc, well the blinders come off.

I can't agree or disagree about the keyboard on the Nspire CX. I haven't held one personally but I agree that the keys look small. I just have to imagine at this point and since I don't find a lot of complaints ( some but not much ) about the older versions of the Nspire keyboard I have to assume it might not be as bad as you indicate.

One more thing you said was "They captured many U.S. markets by simply having the best product." I see your point and I agree that they have done this on many levels. To a large degree the automotive industry and to an even larger degree electronics. But the reason I point out this statement is that I don't think it's a universal statement. What I mean is that when a product does well in the U.S. apparently the only reason could be that the U.S. tricked the consumer. But if the Japanese product is more successful the only reason could be that the Japanese made the better product. In areas where people only see black and white I tend to be skeptical of the statements. As in our current topic.

I will add that if TI does end up removing LUA support ( for end users to create programs ) I'll probably pass on the Nspire CX for now and see what Casio or HP has to offer next. If they continued their bricking yet allowed some programming support I could live with it. But if they take me back to basic only I'll probably pass.

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First, this isn't all directed toward you. Just kind of in general.

I don't fault anyone for purchasing a Toyota. I did the same thing after I got screwed by Ford. And when Toyota inevitably does it to me I'll switch again.

I'm not defending the TI practices you mention because I'd first have to believe they are true. What I'm saying is this sounds a bit like talk radio in the U.S. Both political parties suck to great degrees yet you only hear complaints about one party. So to me putting a little pressure on Casio by at least mentioning their products faults ( even time ) might help make both products better. For example, the programming bug on the Prizm that caused the graphics ( locate ? ) special character glitch. At the time of the glitch, before they fixed it, if I mentioned that someone would probably say "yeah but there's a work around for that now" or "yeah but they will fix that in the next OS update". But had it been TI you'd hear "Nobody should release a product with bugs - period ! There is no excuse".

If the Prizm had released with 6 times the memory of the Nsprie CX you would have heard "Wow, TI sucks. They release a color screen, knowing that the images will take up lots more memory yet don't provide adequate memory" Now that the opposite has happened if someone said the same about the Prizm you'd hear "What the hell do you need that much memory for anyway ? There's no need for it. TI has no clue where to focus their energy"

If I had posted "I am afraid to purchase a Prizm because maybe I won't like it or something better will come out" someone would have said "Go ahead and buy it. You can probably sell it to someone later". Yet, when I mention the same about selling the Nspire CX here comes the hysteria ( one page back ). I'm not bashing that guy. He has his experiences and his fears apparently, but I can tell you that I have sold literally thousands of things online ( ebay, half, Amazon ) - and very rarely have a problem and tend to get around 80% ( probably best case ) of my original price back. And you don't have to "cash checks" if you accept pay pal or if you use Amazon they take care of it for you. Again, my point is just that if the brand had been Casio then all these problems wouldn't have been mentioned but when it's about selling a TI calc, well the blinders come off.

I can't agree or disagree about the keyboard on the Nspire CX. I haven't held one personally but I agree that the keys look small. I just have to imagine at this point and since I don't find a lot of complaints ( some but not much ) about the older versions of the Nspire keyboard I have to assume it might not be as bad as you indicate.

One more thing you said was "They captured many U.S. markets by simply having the best product." I see your point and I agree that they have done this on many levels. To a large degree the automotive industry and to an even larger degree electronics. But the reason I point out this statement is that I don't think it's a universal statement. What I mean is that when a product does well in the U.S. apparently the only reason could be that the U.S. tricked the consumer. But if the Japanese product is more successful the only reason could be that the Japanese made the better product. In areas where people only see black and white I tend to be skeptical of the statements. As in our current topic.

I will add that if TI does end up removing LUA support ( for end users to create programs ) I'll probably pass on the Nspire CX for now and see what Casio or HP has to offer next. If they continued their bricking yet allowed some programming support I could live with it. But if they take me back to basic only I'll probably pass.


There is some truth in some of what you said. But it bothers me that you keep wanting to defend ti by comparing them to another company. That is faulty logic on a number of fronts. Morally, when a company makes mistakes, those mistakes are never ever justifiable by what another company does. Logically each situation is different and must be evaluated on an individual basis. Culturally, different cultures are involved so be sure that you are not subconsciously applying a cultural bias. Now lets cut to the chase.

Selling products is a people orientated business and ti with their "who needs you(?)" arrogance, has rudely ignored and alienated people who were previously good customers and ti supporters. Those previous customers, developers, scientists, engineers, etc. quite frankly don't want to see ti succeed. In simple terms it is called "what comes around goes around." So if ti is being held to a higher standard they have brought it on themselves. Quite frankly I don't believe that they are. Their keyboard designs are terrible, their software quality is poor, their functionality is lacking, but their greatest failing is that they turned their backs and ignored the people who made them successful on the way up, and they are going to need them on the way down.

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First, this isn't all directed toward you. Just kind of in general.

I don't fault anyone for purchasing a Toyota. I did the same thing after I got screwed by Ford. And when Toyota inevitably does it to me I'll switch again.

I'm not defending the TI practices you mention because I'd first have to believe they are true. What I'm saying is this sounds a bit like talk radio in the U.S. Both political parties suck to great degrees yet you only hear complaints about one party. So to me putting a little pressure on Casio by at least mentioning their products faults ( even time ) might help make both products better. For example, the programming bug on the Prizm that caused the graphics ( locate ? ) special character glitch. At the time of the glitch, before they fixed it, if I mentioned that someone would probably say "yeah but there's a work around for that now" or "yeah but they will fix that in the next OS update". But had it been TI you'd hear "Nobody should release a product with bugs - period ! There is no excuse".

If the Prizm had released with 6 times the memory of the Nsprie CX you would have heard "Wow, TI sucks. They release a color screen, knowing that the images will take up lots more memory yet don't provide adequate memory" Now that the opposite has happened if someone said the same about the Prizm you'd hear "What the hell do you need that much memory for anyway ? There's no need for it. TI has no clue where to focus their energy"

If I had posted "I am afraid to purchase a Prizm because maybe I won't like it or something better will come out" someone would have said "Go ahead and buy it. You can probably sell it to someone later". Yet, when I mention the same about selling the Nspire CX here comes the hysteria ( one page back ). I'm not bashing that guy. He has his experiences and his fears apparently, but I can tell you that I have sold literally thousands of things online ( ebay, half, Amazon ) - and very rarely have a problem and tend to get around 80% ( probably best case ) of my original price back. And you don't have to "cash checks" if you accept pay pal or if you use Amazon they take care of it for you. Again, my point is just that if the brand had been Casio then all these problems wouldn't have been mentioned but when it's about selling a TI calc, well the blinders come off.

I can't agree or disagree about the keyboard on the Nspire CX. I haven't held one personally but I agree that the keys look small. I just have to imagine at this point and since I don't find a lot of complaints ( some but not much ) about the older versions of the Nspire keyboard I have to assume it might not be as bad as you indicate.

One more thing you said was "They captured many U.S. markets by simply having the best product." I see your point and I agree that they have done this on many levels. To a large degree the automotive industry and to an even larger degree electronics. But the reason I point out this statement is that I don't think it's a universal statement. What I mean is that when a product does well in the U.S. apparently the only reason could be that the U.S. tricked the consumer. But if the Japanese product is more successful the only reason could be that the Japanese made the better product. In areas where people only see black and white I tend to be skeptical of the statements. As in our current topic.

I will add that if TI does end up removing LUA support ( for end users to create programs ) I'll probably pass on the Nspire CX for now and see what Casio or HP has to offer next. If they continued their bricking yet allowed some programming support I could live with it. But if they take me back to basic only I'll probably pass.


You made some points that I definitely agree with:
1. "Nobody should release a product with bugs - period ! There is no excuse".

2. "Wow, TI sucks.

3. TI has no clue where to focus their energy"

A couple more that you forgot to mention are:
1. All of the "nspire" keyboards are inferior with keys to closely spaced and they need to fire the person who did that design work. No doubt it was a female with small fingers.

2. Ti needs to hire some software people that are competent. Putting bugs in a math function that has worked for over a dozen years is just plain amatureish.

3. For ti to claim 3d graphing capability and not mention that it won't graph lines or curves is deceptive advertizing and someone needs to go to jail for that one. :greengrin:

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You made some points that I definitely agree with:
1. "Nobody should release a product with bugs - period ! There is no excuse".

2. "Wow, TI sucks.

3. TI has no clue where to focus their energy"

A couple more that you forgot to mention are:
1. All of the "nspire" keyboards are inferior with keys to closely spaced and they need to fire the person who did that design work. No doubt it was a female with small fingers.

2. Ti needs to hire some software people that are competent. Putting bugs in a math function that has worked for over a dozen years is just plain amatureish.

3. For ti to claim 3d graphing capability and not mention that it won't graph lines or curves is deceptive advertizing and someone needs to go to jail for that one. :greengrin:


Re: Your second item number three.
Where is ti's product specification that shows that limitation? Perhaps a product specification exists but I couldn't find any. Seems to me that they are intentionally trying to miss lead us about their products capabililty by hiding the facts.

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There is some truth in some of what you said. But it bothers me that you keep wanting to defend ti by comparing them to another company.


Of course I do that. Who notices hypocrisy and just lets it slide ? Allowing unchallenged ( some of them seemingly unfounded, or at least unsupported by any references, even when asked for ) accusations doesn't help me or anyone else choose the best product. By all means, keep the criticisms against TI coming and please provide references and evidence if and when possible. But if we don't critique our preferred products as well, at least to some degree, then the board becomes nothing but a fanboy club. Nothing but a platform for self gratification - A place to obtain confirmation about our past purchases and useless for anyone wanting unbiased information to make a purchase decision.

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Of course I do that. Who notices hypocrisy and just lets it slide ? Allowing unchallenged ( some of them seemingly unfounded, or at least unsupported by any references, even when asked for ) accusations doesn't help me or anyone else choose the best product. By all means, keep the criticisms against TI coming and please provide references and evidence if and when possible. But if we don't critique our preferred products as well, at least to some degree, then the board becomes nothing but a fanboy club. Nothing but a platform for self gratification - A place to obtain confirmation about our past purchases and useless for anyone wanting unbiased information to make a purchase decision.


Some one patiently tried to explan an important moral concept and you totally ignored it. What is it about the fact that two wrongs don't make a right that you don't understand? You are just argueing for the sake of argueing.

After searching around on the ti site, I found a specification for the cx is at:
http://education.ti....e_cx.html?bid=5
If you care to look it it, under features and functionality you will find a heading of: 3d graphing. Notice that there are no limitations shown so one should be able to assume that 3d lines and curves can be plotted. Based on the posts on the google nspire site, that is not true. How does that effect ti's credibililty in your mind? In my mind they no longer have any credibility.

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Some one patiently tried to explan an important moral concept and you totally ignored it. What is it about the fact that two wrongs don't make a right that you don't understand? You are just argueing for the sake of argueing.

After searching around on the ti site, I found a specification for the cx is at:
http://education.ti....e_cx.html?bid=5
If you care to look it it, under features and functionality you will find a heading of: 3d graphing. Notice that there are no limitations shown so one should be able to assume that 3d lines and curves can be plotted. Based on the posts on the google nspire site, that is not true. How does that effect ti's credibililty in your mind? In my mind they no longer have any credibility.


In addition to a big lack of credibility, you can now also chalk up a big lack of software competence and quality on ti's part. Go to and read:
http://groups.google...fea30e6e55bee17

Their latest OS, namely OS 3.0 is so bad that it bricks (makes unusable) their calculators so ti has now removed the ability to update to 3.0 on their site. And if you read the above reference, you will see where some guy names Sean spins things up and calls it a demonstration of ti's terrific customer service. Sean, get in touch with reality. It is a disaster that demonstrates ti's incompetence and if it wasn't for the developer community which by the way ti has been trying to stop with their locked down programing, ti wouldn't even know what is going on! Just another demonstration that ti needs to get their quality under control and probably make some key management changes.

Recommendation: Stay away from ti's products and services including the new cx products for 6 months to a year. Wait and see if they will and can get their quality problems worked out and their quality under control or if OS 3.0 and possibly the cx products quietly fad away.

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In addition to a big lack of credibility, you can now also chalk up a big lack of software competence and quality on ti's part. Go to and read:
http://groups.google...fea30e6e55bee17

Their latest OS, namely OS 3.0 is so bad that it bricks (makes unusable) their calculators so ti has now removed the ability to update to 3.0 on their site. And if you read the above reference, you will see where some guy names Sean spins things up and calls it a demonstration of ti's terrific customer service. Sean, get in touch with reality. It is a disaster that demonstrates ti's incompetence and if it wasn't for the developer community which by the way ti has been trying to stop with their locked down programing, ti wouldn't even know what is going on! Just another demonstration that ti needs to get their quality under control and probably make some key management changes.

Recommendation: Stay away from ti's products and services including the new cx products for 6 months to a year. Wait and see if they will and can get their quality problems worked out and their quality under control or if OS 3.0 and possibly the cx products quietly fad away.


And it will probably take longer than 6 months to a year. Over the last four years or so, we have seen fiasco after fiasco after fiasco. Starting with severe battery drain problems and a shitty keyboard layout and going thru severe os update problems and more severe os update problems and now an os that bricks ti calculators along with functions that are buggy and based on their track record there are probably going to be some more problems identified when the cx models get into use. All these things are just symptoms of a management that isn't up to the job. A shake up is over due. By way of a comparison, which one poster here likes to make, yes, Apple had an antenna problem but if they had as many problems as ti has, no one would buy their millions of iphones. Ti is just not ready for the big time.

My recommendation: Stay away from ti's products and services including the new cx products for at least a year and maybe more if additional quality problems are reported. Keep in mind that thousands of cx products will be in the pipe line and ti is unlikely to recall and fix them if other issues are reported. So wait, wait, wait unless you want to be stuck with a lemon.

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And it will probably take longer than 6 months to a year. Over the last four years or so, we have seen fiasco after fiasco after fiasco. Starting with severe battery drain problems and a shitty keyboard layout and going thru severe os update problems and more severe os update problems and now an os that bricks ti calculators along with functions that are buggy and based on their track record there are probably going to be some more problems identified when the cx models get into use. All these things are just symptoms of a management that isn't up to the job. A shake up is over due. By way of a comparison, which one poster here likes to make, yes, Apple had an antenna problem but if they had as many problems as ti has, no one would buy their millions of iphones. Ti is just not ready for the big time.

My recommendation: Stay away from ti's products and services including the new cx products for at least a year and maybe more if additional quality problems are reported. Keep in mind that thousands of cx products will be in the pipe line and ti is unlikely to recall and fix them if other issues are reported. So wait, wait, wait unless you want to be stuck with a lemon.


And don't forget that the nspire unlike previous ti calculators has an incredibly poor keyboard. GO TO WALMART AND LOOK AT THE SMALL CLOSELY SPACED ALPHABET KEYS. YOU CAN SEE THEM THRU THE PACKAGE WITHOUT OPENING THE PACKAGE. PLACE THE TIP OF YOUR FINGER OVER ONE OF THE KEYS ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE PACKAGE AND YOU WILL SEE THAT YOUR FINGER ALSO COVERS SOME OR ALL OF THE ADJACENT KEYS! WHAT A TERRIBLE DESIGN. HOW DO YOU PRESS JUST ONE KEY?

RECOMMENDATION: In addition to avoiding all the other issues, don't buy this product until and unless it is updated with a quality keyboard. We are talking about spending way over a hundred dollars for a calculator and for that kind of money you definitely deserve to get a good keyboard.

SUMMARY: Lets face it, the quality of the nspire designs and support that TI has produced in the last four years is just plain lacking. They tinker around the edges making a few improvements here and there while avoiding the thorough redesign that is needed. This does not seem to be the company that gave us such wonderful products as the 83/84 series and the 89/voyage series. This is a company that needs to decide if it wants to be in the calculator business or not. It's time to stop the half measures and do the job right or get out of the business.

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And don't forget that the nspire unlike previous ti calculators has an incredibly poor keyboard. GO TO WALMART AND LOOK AT THE SMALL CLOSELY SPACED ALPHABET KEYS. YOU CAN SEE THEM THRU THE PACKAGE WITHOUT OPENING THE PACKAGE. PLACE THE TIP OF YOUR FINGER OVER ONE OF THE KEYS ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE PACKAGE AND YOU WILL SEE THAT YOUR FINGER ALSO COVERS SOME OR ALL OF THE ADJACENT KEYS! WHAT A TERRIBLE DESIGN. HOW DO YOU PRESS JUST ONE KEY?

RECOMMENDATION: In addition to avoiding all the other issues, don't buy this product until and unless it is updated with a quality keyboard. We are talking about spending way over a hundred dollars for a calculator and for that kind of money you definitely deserve to get a good keyboard.

SUMMARY: Lets face it, the quality of the nspire designs and support that TI has produced in the last four years is just plain lacking. They tinker around the edges making a few improvements here and there while avoiding the thorough redesign that is needed. This does not seem to be the company that gave us such wonderful products as the 83/84 series and the 89/voyage series. This is a company that needs to decide if it wants to be in the calculator business or not. It's time to stop the half measures and do the job right or get out of the business.


The posts here are spot on. A few years ago when the original nspire was introduced it had a terrible keyboard among other problems. Now four years later we are still being offered a terrible keyboard. I think that is a sure sign of two things. The management at TI is incapable of making good decisions and the people doing the work are incompetent. With the TI-84 and 89/Voyage lines TI had very successful products. They could have continued that success by improving those products but they chose not to and instead went in an entirely new direction with the nspire designs. That was a very bad decision that will plague TI for years to come and ultimately may end their calculator business.

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The posts here are spot on. A few years ago when the original nspire was introduced it had a terrible keyboard among other problems. Now four years later we are still being offered a terrible keyboard. I think that is a sure sign of two things. The management at TI is incapable of making good decisions and the people doing the work are incompetent. With the TI-84 and 89/Voyage lines TI had very successful products. They could have continued that success by improving those products but they chose not to and instead went in an entirely new direction with the nspire designs. That was a very bad decision that will plague TI for years to come and ultimately may end their calculator business.


It certainly makes one wonder how much longer TI will pour money down the nspire rat hole. <_<

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It certainly makes one wonder how much longer TI will pour money down the nspire rat hole. <_<


NEW PROBLEMS!!! In addition to the desolve problem with OS 3.0, ti now admits to integration and limits problems. Read about it here:

http://education.ti....tenspire30.html

It is not clear if these problems will be fixed with the next OS scheduled for the middle of the month. Will ti sell cx models that have these performance flaws in them??? (What other problems WILL there be when the cx models get into users hands? That is, in addition to the keyboard problems of tiny alpha keys being very closely spaced.)

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NEW PROBLEMS!!! In addition to the desolve problem with OS 3.0, ti now admits to integration and limits problems. Read about it here:

http://education.ti....tenspire30.html

It is not clear if these problems will be fixed with the next OS scheduled for the middle of the month. Will ti sell cx models that have these performance flaws in them??? (What other problems WILL there be when the cx models get into users hands? That is, in addition to the keyboard problems of tiny alpha keys being very closely spaced.)


Take a look at this thread: http://groups.google...0967b9bfcc5439d
Things have reached a new low if TI communicates that they have a product problem that other people aren't having with their product! Can't they get anything right? Unbelievable!

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Take a look at this thread: http://groups.google...0967b9bfcc5439d
Things have reached a new low if TI communicates that they have a product problem that other people aren't having with their product! Can't they get anything right? Unbelievable!



TI has indicated that they would produce a successor of the 3.0 OS by the middle of the month. If that doesn't go well, i.e., if their next attempt at producing an OS simply produces further problems that need to be corrected they can slip into deeper trouble. Even if that does go well, there is still the possibility that the cx's (when available) will have design flaws and perhaps lower on the priority list (but still a liability none the less) is that keyboard and the lack of shift for zoomed in 3d displays and more seriously the lack of 3d plotting of lines and curves (along with surfaces) not to mention the lack of functions that the competing HP and Casio models have had for years. It's sad to see a company self distruct this way but clearly they are in a crisis of their own making.

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TI has indicated that they would produce a successor of the 3.0 OS by the middle of the month. If that doesn't go well, i.e., if their next attempt at producing an OS simply produces further problems that need to be corrected they can slip into deeper trouble. Even if that does go well, there is still the possibility that the cx's (when available) will have design flaws and perhaps lower on the priority list (but still a liability none the less) is that keyboard and the lack of shift for zoomed in 3d displays and more seriously the lack of 3d plotting of lines and curves (along with surfaces) not to mention the lack of functions that the competing HP and Casio models have had for years. It's sad to see a company self distruct this way but clearly they are in a crisis of their own making.


I don't think it is sad at all. When a company refuses to produce a product that people want to buy and persists in producing a product that people don't want to buy they deserve to fail.

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I don't think it is sad at all. When a company refuses to produce a product that people want to buy and persists in producing a product that people don't want to buy they deserve to fail.


To repeat: A few years ago when the original nspire was introduced it had a terrible keyboard among other problems. Now four years later we are still being offered a terrible keyboard. I think that is a sure sign of two things. The management at TI is incapable of making good decisions and the people doing the work are incompetent. With the TI-84 and 89/Voyage lines TI had very successful products. They could have continued that success by improving those products but they chose not to and instead went in an entirely new direction with the nspire designs. That was a very bad decision that will plague TI for years to come and ultimately may end their calculator business.

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To repeat: A few years ago when the original nspire was introduced it had a terrible keyboard among other problems. Now four years later we are still being offered a terrible keyboard. I think that is a sure sign of two things. The management at TI is incapable of making good decisions and the people doing the work are incompetent. With the TI-84 and 89/Voyage lines TI had very successful products. They could have continued that success by improving those products but they chose not to and instead went in an entirely new direction with the nspire designs. That was a very bad decision that will plague TI for years to come and ultimately may end their calculator business.

And the answer to that is how much longer can ti pour money down that nspire rathole. At any time senior management can look at the situation and decide to cut off the nspire funding because the results don't warrent further investment. Yes indeed, this is certainly a company in a crisis of their own makilng.

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And the answer to that is how much longer can ti pour money down that nspire rathole. At any time senior management can look at the situation and decide to cut off the nspire funding because the results don't warrent further investment. Yes indeed, this is certainly a company in a crisis of their own makilng.


Regarding the 3d graphing of OS 3.0 not being capable of produceing lines and curves, here is a third party program that would appear to do just that:
http://groups.google...16b8a68aefeb00d
Why didn't ti do that and offer 3d graphing of lines and curves with 3.0? Wait, wait, I've got it! This guy is pretty smart and the programers at ti are, well, ah, putting it mildly just not up to the job.

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Regarding the 3d graphing of OS 3.0 not being capable of produceing lines and curves, here is a third party program that would appear to do just that:
http://groups.google...16b8a68aefeb00d
Why didn't ti do that and offer 3d graphing of lines and curves with 3.0? Wait, wait, I've got it! This guy is pretty smart and the programers at ti are, well, ah, putting it mildly just not up to the job.


Yeah, I heard that ti gave their people a simple intelligence test. the task was to see which ones could find their ass with both hands and only 3% passed. Ha-ha-ha-ha (It's a joke of course.) :roflol: :roflol: :roflol:

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Yeah, I heard that ti gave their people a simple intelligence test. the task was to see which ones could find their ass with both hands and only 3% passed. Ha-ha-ha-ha (It's a joke of course.) :roflol: :roflol: :roflol:


Actually what you are suggesting may be closer to the truth than you think. Consider the fact that ti comes out with 3d graphing and they very stupidly neglect to provide the fundamental and essentual capability to graph 3d lines and curves. Why is that? Hint - they would have if they could have. Which is to say that they have people who don't know how to program that task. Mean while some guy on the google nspire site has just provided a way to do it. Clearly TI needs to replace the people who cannot do the job with people who can but since they havn't done that I have wonder if that concept is to complicated for ti management to understand.

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Actually what you are suggesting may be closer to the truth than you think. Consider the fact that ti comes out with 3d graphing and they very stupidly neglect to provide the fundamental and essentual capability to graph 3d lines and curves. Why is that? Hint - they would have if they could have. Which is to say that they have people who don't know how to program that task. Mean while some guy on the google nspire site has just provided a way to do it. Clearly TI needs to replace the people who cannot do the job with people who can but since they havn't done that I have wonder if that concept is to complicated for ti management to understand.


You guys are being to hard on TI. Sure they have had some problems like bricking calculators and buggy software but lets wait and see if the cx nspires are any good. Sure the new cx products may have known bugs like the desolve one but ti have had time to fix that along with 3d parametric plotting of lines and curves and there may be other new features like laplace transform capability, and certainly they have had timee to fix that poor keyboard design. I'm just saying lets give them a chance. Lets see what the cx and cx cas has to offer. If it's just the same old crap I'll join your boycott but maybe it won't be. Ok?

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You guys are being to hard on TI. Sure they have had some problems like bricking calculators and buggy software but lets wait and see if the cx nspires are any good. Sure the new cx products may have known bugs like the desolve one but ti have had time to fix that along with 3d parametric plotting of lines and curves and there may be other new features like laplace transform capability, and certainly they have had timee to fix that poor keyboard design. I'm just saying lets give them a chance. Lets see what the cx and cx cas has to offer. If it's just the same old crap I'll join your boycott but maybe it won't be. Ok?


Telling the truth about a company and its products is not a matter of being to hard or soft on the company. It is about telling it like it is. For over four years now ti has been working on their nspire products. They are still unpopular (based on their used value on ebay) and flawed by known bugs after all this time, so to suggest that the next model will have all the known issues fixed is beyond belief, but maybe you will get lucky and predict that very unlikely event. Do you feel lucky?

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Telling the truth about a company and its products is not a matter of being to hard or soft on the company. It is about telling it like it is. For over four years now ti has been working on their nspire products. They are still unpopular (based on their used value on ebay) and flawed by known bugs after all this time, so to suggest that the next model will have all the known issues fixed is beyond belief, but maybe you will get lucky and predict that very unlikely event. Do you feel lucky?


I am not naive. I know that they have a poor track record. I just decided to wait and see what the cx brings before completely giving up on ti. BTW it occurs to me that ti will never have superior product because of the extra cost that takes.

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I am not naive. I know that they have a poor track record. I just decided to wait and see what the cx brings before completely giving up on ti. BTW it occurs to me that ti will never have superior product because of the extra cost that takes.


Interesting that you should point that out. Unfortuantely that is they way American companies are. It's all and only about the money, greed, and avoiding costs. If you really want an excellent product don't look to American companies to produce it. They are not in the business of producing the best products. They are in the business of producing the cheapest product that they can sell with spin, and miss leading advertizing. If ti actually wanted to produce a superior product they would have fixed their products problems by now. Don't you think that ti sticks with poor keyboards because they are cheap to produce? I do. Do you think they actually care about supplying the customer with a good product? I don't. Again, it's about the money, not customer satisfaction.

From what I see, ti's strategy is based on an assumption that they can overcome the negatives of poor quality with appropriate sales and advertizing techniques so why would they invest in developing a superior product when they can make more money selling a poor product? Don't give up hope. Japanese companies have produced superior products in other areas of electronics and they will do so in calculators to.




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