Dont want to loose programs

Posted 03 June 2004 - 05:17 AM

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Posted 03 June 2004 - 05:39 AM

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Posted 03 June 2004 - 08:21 AM

yeah, sorry, you can't. my school allows programs to be taken in.

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Posted 03 June 2004 - 08:56 AM

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Posted 03 June 2004 - 12:24 PM

it asks you wether you want to reset and I suppose the teachers simply press YES

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Posted 03 June 2004 - 03:48 PM

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Posted 03 June 2004 - 06:55 PM

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Posted 03 June 2004 - 08:34 PM

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Posted 03 June 2004 - 08:36 PM

seems there aree good aspects to living there

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Posted 04 June 2004 - 11:12 AM

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Posted 06 June 2004 - 12:58 AM

i'm taking the ACT next saturday so i will probably have to reset my calc for that

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Posted 14 June 2004 - 09:06 PM

ha! they didnt even check to see what kind of calc you had! i could have "borrowed" qwerty's classpad and they wouldnt have even noticed (maybe )

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Posted 15 June 2004 - 02:52 AM

ha! they didnt even check to see what kind of calc you had! i could have "borrowed" qwerty's classpad and they wouldnt have even noticed (maybe )

(maybe)

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Posted 15 June 2004 - 04:45 AM

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Posted 15 June 2004 - 04:56 AM

do it, give casio a free plug

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Posted 15 June 2004 - 08:23 PM

Nope. We are better than you because we can solve these things
without calculators! ALL OF THEM!

Well i did reference to this coz here in my city (dunno on the big cities) nobody use graphic calculators, and a lot of people think that i'm playing tetris (when i'm using my AFX) or my classpad is a PDA. In my uni i had saw:
1- teacher with graphics calculators, TI and HP (he know a lot, very good teacher)
1- A guy with a TI-89 but he has died
1- A friend in his first uni year with a classpad
2- AFX of 2 guys of my classroom
1- CFX of another friend
1- TI Voyage of a guy in him first uni year.

Some of this guys bought their calculators when they saw me with my AFX.

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Posted 15 June 2004 - 08:29 PM

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Posted 16 June 2004 - 10:57 AM

hey

im sorry to say but u cant really do much
the same thing happened to me last year
and i had all these wiked games on
by the way i have a CFX-9850GB PLUS

so sorry mate but i think ur screwed

do u have a friend or sumfing u could borrow 1 off for the exam and swap them over or sumfing??

ne way good luck with ur exam

i have 2 tomorrow
and ive got a broken thumb!!

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Posted 18 August 2006 - 09:41 AM

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Posted 18 August 2006 - 02:14 PM

Ok, just my 5 cents on this matter.
I will talk from my own experience here.
I think that if it is pre-university (highschool - college or so) then you might be able to negotiate with your teacher about the programs. I succeded to keep most of my programs by claiming that I had made them myself and arguing that I already know the stuff that I have made programs for or else I wouldn't be able to code them up and then I briefly explained what the programs did and showed them to the teacher. That worked fine.

However at the university (at least my university) first of all, graphing calculators are more ore less banned (some courses make exceptions) and secondly, there are not teachers that supervise the exam. They just pop up occcasionally to answer questions. Thirdly, the tasks on the exam thesis are constructed so you can answer them without a calculator. If it says you can have a calculator, they almost alway refer to specific calculator models that can't be programmed.

If you have a calculator that contains a lot of good programs you can't download to your PC in time for the exam, then ask a fellow classmate if you can borrow his calculator. I've done that several times throughout my studies (often due to misplacing my own (accepted) calculator).

Faking a reset is daring and extremely foolish. If it is a small class or if the teacher supervises the exam, then you will lose his trust forever (in the best case). On a large university you will be reported to a disciplin council and risk being expelled from the school for a year or so, and that might mean loss of fundings and in the worst case you might end up on the street.

So ask a friend, carefully negotiate with your teacher or backup (write down/upload to PC) the programs you have should your previous options fail. That is my advice to you.


Now, good luck on that exam!!

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Posted 18 August 2006 - 08:01 PM

Or you could buy an 9860 SD, and then, insert the memory card in the middle of the exam

The consequences can be very nefast indeed (thanks for the dramatization scratty )
However the consequences of using something and not getting caught are pretty good themselves, now, it's up to you to decide.

Except if you are in portugal since most teachers can't recognize a SD card, they can barely use the calculator for arithmetic purposes... after much trial and error.

Yet they are kindly tolerant to the use of graphing calculators... my math teacher once let a student use his laptop as calculator...

If you are in australia, you probably won't have acess to an 9860 SD only 9860 AU

In Brazil you are more likely not to recognize a SD card yourself, nevermind your teachers...

In china, vietnam and outstrikes... you could get military execution for copying in an exam, my guess: it's not worth it.

In the states, there are probably 300 difrent laws in each state that protect sudents who want to copy or cheat in their maths tests, so nevermind avoiding detection.

In japan you are most likely to achieve a better performance using your own head rather than a calculator, as you have 5- 6 times the processing capability of a calculator...

In the rest of the world, I don't really care


Now seriously, if you are not copying then show your teacher what each program does and how harmless they are... you may even resort into asking him/her to lend you his/her calculator
Else, you can atempt one of those programs and hope your teacher swallows the whole thing.

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Posted 18 August 2006 - 09:10 PM

Fuc*** Sh** !!!! ROFL!!!! I'm laughing..so...so...hahahahaha!!!!! . funny post Lord!

In my country, teachers does'nt believe that a calculator of any brand (exept HP's) can be programmed.

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Posted 18 August 2006 - 09:13 PM

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Posted 18 August 2006 - 10:32 PM

Hmm... about the SD card, that is quite disturbing. On the other hand, I'm not particularly suprised.

Personally I think graphing calculators should be banned in class (yes, you heard me right). Sure they are good for understanding curves, tangents, secants and all that stuff. But I wonder if they don't spoil more than help in the end. A common handicap that can occur after some time of diligent calculator usage is that you eventually calculate the simplest arithmetics you can imagine without using your brain (been there). I think there's some true behind it when people call calculators a "brain prosthesis" . After all, teaching should encourage students to use their brains rather than learning how to avoid using it. From what I've learned, detaching from using calculators in the university is hard for some freshmen.

And concerning cheating, think of it this way: Would you like it when you have nailed the exam by studying real hard and you find out that a classmate has cheated on the exam and not has understood a thing of what it was about? How would you react to that? Another way you can think on the matter is that if you cheat without getting caught throughout your studies, wouldn't it be scary when you get a job and a salory they think you're worth, when you know that you can't peform the job that is required of you?

Now I sound like an uncool old dude with a beard and a kane (ok, let go for the beard, but I have no kane just yet ) wagging his finger. Everyone hates moral lectures. What I guess I'm trying to say is that follow your heart and please don't let my moral lecturing intimidate you from putting your calculator at good use.
Sorry for ruining the good mode here .

whee... I hate long posts, and I've just written one myself

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Posted 19 August 2006 - 02:45 PM

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Posted 19 August 2006 - 04:27 PM

Fuc*** Sh** !!!! ROFL!!!! I'm laughing..so...so...hahahahaha!!!!! . funny post Lord!

In my country, teachers does'nt believe that a calculator of any brand (exept HP's) can be programmed.

Thanks


now seriously scratty If you were still in school you would realize that cheating is most times the best option.
Because while you are copying the formulas etx to your calc you are momorizing them too...

And yes, it was quite a lecture thank you very much... I'll buy you a cane and lend you one of my pipes for that

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Posted 19 August 2006 - 08:30 PM

Sure... if you don't need the kane yourself, I gladly accept ur offer . However concerning the pipe, I must kindly refuse.

Yeah, I almost regret I said all that... but I felt there might be some guys out there who should here me out in this matter.
I would really hate to hear of talented calculator programmers that get caught due to cheating. The society needs good programmers!

And... sorry to say, IMHO you're quite wrong about cheating. Learning by programming stuff does by no way justify cheating, I might understand people think student allowance problems justifies cheating, but not learning, not by a long shot. Cheating is unfair and immoral, period.

Furthermore, it is IMHO even wrong to memorize formulas. You should learn to understand them, not memorize them . If you understand them, then you won't need to memorize!

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Posted 19 August 2006 - 08:36 PM

And... sorry to say, IMHO you're quite wrong about cheating. Learning by programming stuff does by no way legitimize cheating, I might understand people think student allowance problems legitimizes cheating, but not learning, not by a long shot. Cheating is unfair and immoral, period. motz.gif smile.gif

Cheating is considered part of the american way of life.
Not cheating when you can is refusing using the intelligence and smartness god gave you...It is natural to atempt to improve your performance no matter the cost. I think it is your duty to yourself to cheat whenever you can
(actually I never cheated, I get a 20/20 at maths without studying or copying)

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Posted 19 August 2006 - 08:46 PM

Hmm... now that's an interresting point of view. You sure got a point there .
There are smart cheaters and stupid cheaters. Smart cheaters get smarter whereas stupid cheaters don't. Unfortunately, I think there's a majority of the latter category :/.

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Posted 20 August 2006 - 06:05 PM

Holy Thread Revival Batman

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Posted 23 August 2006 - 08:24 PM

In France, the limits for a calc in High School (baccalaur?at) are as follow :

No power plug.
No printer.
Max size : 21 cm by 15 cm (that is huge for a calc). If the calc can be folded, it is the folded size that counts.

That's it.

Of course no transfer of data between 2 calcs during the test. No exchange of calc between students during the test.

The calc is not reset (I heard it is because your programs are considered as intellectual properties). Nothing in the memory has to be deleted. The content of the calc does not have to be controled.

However, the test is made according to this. You can't write just an answer, you have to detail everything. And the test is not multiple choice.

If for any subject the calc is forbidden, it has to be specified on the test sheet.
It is usually specified for the philisophy exam...

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Posted 23 August 2006 - 09:26 PM

Wow, that's generous.
To tell the truth however, I can't exactly recall how it was back in high-school for my part.

The calc is not reset (I heard it is because your programs are considered as intellectual properties).

Oh. Well, then you could just as well bring a handwritten sheet of paper to the exam/test .

However, the test is made according to this. You can't write just an answer, you have to detail everything. And the test is not multiple choice.

If for any subject the calc is forbidden, it has to be specified on the test sheet.

That's how it is in my university as well. Either you're allowed to have a university-approved calculator, any calculator (very rare) or no calculator at all. Usually, when you're allowed to bring any calculator, you're also allowed to bring any books, papers or whatever you feel you need. These test are the hardest. So despite what one might think, no restrictions on an exam is not easier than those with restriction. back when I studied, I used to be very delighted when you had a course where on the exam you were only allowed to have a pen and a rubber. Those are the easiest exams! (generally speaking of course)

Hah! Funny note about the philosofy exams .

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Posted 24 August 2006 - 12:52 AM

It is usually specified for the philisophy exam... biggrin.gif

Well not in my school, in phillosophy when the test subject was "logic" you were allowed to bring you graphing calculator(which is required in my school, really required, and not just any calc, it has to be a good Casio or Ti graphing calc no 7400's for us it has got to be above CFX 9750 or above Ti 84 (even though my math book describes the calc procedures using a Ti83 and Ti84 and Ti83 are alike) , thats portugal my friends ) to calculate simple fractions rquiered in that subject, in the analitical logic part.

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Posted 24 August 2006 - 04:44 PM

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Posted 25 August 2006 - 12:16 AM

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Posted 25 August 2006 - 03:05 PM

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Posted 25 August 2006 - 10:37 PM

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Posted 30 August 2006 - 07:30 AM

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Posted 30 August 2006 - 08:04 PM

Well then, I wish that when you to the EQUA and type in a equation it would show the steps to how it came to a numerical conclusion. Then you could just copy down the steps onto the test and voila! It would take a lot of code and programming for Casio to do this though........

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Posted 31 August 2006 - 04:18 AM

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