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[Mohamed]

We were discussing the new contest that will be held this year, and it seems that we'll have some competitors, I hope they will stay through the whole thing and not just quit in the middle.

Ok, what we have decided till now:

1- We'll have the normal ASM/C & BASIC game competition.
2- We'll have an ASM/C progrmming (utilities) competition.

Now the questions that we want answers to:
P.S. please everyone answer in a 1-2-3 fashion to make analyzing results easier

1- Is there a need for a BASIC programming competition? (I don't think so)
2- When do you think it shall start? (some of us are having exams right now)
3- How long shall ASM/C games take (in months)?
4- How long shall ASM/C programs take (in months)?
5- How long shall BASIC games take (in months)?
6- If for example BASIC is finished before ASM/C, would you like to have the results of the BASIC before others, or shall all results be announced once like UCF 2003?
7- Do you have any further suggestion/ideas to make things better? (answer in not more than 5 lines )

That's the main ones, details are after these are defined.
And note that we'd like to have everything (including judging) finished by at most the 31st of Jan 2005.

[CrimsonCasio]

just to clarify #1 he means utilities/math/engeneering BASIC programs, we will be doing a BASIC games catagory

[Bob Vila]

1. Yes (not everyone has an AFX)
2. July?
3. i donno
4. i donno
5. 3-4 maybe shorter
6. I dont think that the BASIC guys should wait for the ASM guys
7. nope, sounds good

[betoe]

1- No
2- The next summer (July or August)
3- Lets wait by the ASM programmers, i think 4 or 5 months are good for a game
4- Same thing that the last point, i think 3 months
5- 3 months
6- Like 2003
7- Seems good in this way. For I had never made a ASM program for the AFX, but i made some programs for PC. I think that the months i said on points 3 and 4 are good, there are some tools (like the emulator) that can help a lot for do this kind of programs/games.

[huhn_m]

1) No
2) JUly
3) 5 Months
4) 4 Months
5) 4 Months
6) Don't let them wait
7) No, sounds good

[Andy.Davies]

1) no basic programs, but a basic game
2) July
3) 5 months
4) 4 months
5) 4 months
6) Basic shoudnt have to wait for ASM/c
7) no, good as it is

[mastermage]

1- No
2- End of june/beginning of july
3- 5 months
4- 4 months
5- 4 months
6- Results as soon as possible
7- That's ok

[4nic8]

1- No
2- July
3- 4
4- 4
5- 0
PS. Who will judge games and programs?

[Mohamed]

Excellent feed-back, almost all results are similar.
I'd wait for a day or two then unleash!

Hope we'd get lots of cometitors.

4nic8: This will still be defined a bit after the contest starts, why are you asking though?

[4nic8]

Because I think that a good idea is to let members of this forum decide which program/game is the best by voting.

[CrimsonCasio]

its not a bad idea, one possibility is to have the judges select the top 3 then the fourm members could vote on them to see which one would win.

[C@siomax]

1- only games
2- beginning of July
3- hard question ... it depends of studies, time, etc.. so I'd like to say a year, but for a competition, I wouldn't program such a project, so 5 months are good
4- 4 months
5- dunno
6- dunno
7- as you want

[Roeoender]

Good to see Moha back in action
7:
Judges are important as they test game more deeply than an usual player and they justify their opinion. Forum members voting would be good if it wasn't anonymous and scores were calculated by filing a prepared form.

Footnote:
I'd also would like to encourage people to make C/ASM games as probably I won't have time to make another game.
Basic guys should also work on quality of their games. Personally I think that Basic is really good for making even quite complex RPGs (the only genere I can stand playing in Basic).

Roeoender (@exam time).

[PerCasioAdAstra]

1. Off course
2. Starting June
3. 5 months
4. 4 months
5. 4 months
6. results ASAP
7. dunno

[4nic8]

Judges are important as they test game more deeply than an usual player and they justify their opinion

The point is that games/programs are for players/users not for judges, so in my opinion people should decide which game/prog is the best.

Voting can be very simple as a topic in forum - one member can give only one vote for the game/prog he likes most.

[huhn_m]

it's not that simply.

I'm with roeoenders opinion that someone who judges a game must
justify his opinion / give reason why he choose to vote so and
this can not be anonymous.

Also we have some who seldom visit. WHat about them. Will they just vote
even if they don't have played the game? Just because they thought the desctiption
sounded good?

I'm with Crimson. Let judges test the games, give their opinion, choose the top 3
and then let the users vote for the best of these 3.

[Andy.Davies]

i agree with huhn, we should judge like that

[casiokingdom]

1- Of course! a few members still use CFX calcs
2- not sure, i don't have time now
5- 2 months
6- basic first
7- AFX calcs shouldn't be included in the BASIC category

[Andy.Davies]

AFX calcs shouldn't be included in the BASIC category

im not sure about that i mean they are compatable, and the judges will have access to AFX, CFX and FX, there for you can submit a basic game, and say which calc it is designed for.

[[neo]f4kill]

no
some of my olds g65(CFX) games works correctly on my g100(afx) there is always bugs or it' not really beautifull due to the difference of lenth of the caracters etc ..
some functions r faster on some models of calc than the others

[CrimsonCasio]

a possibility is to give a set model bonus to everyone, if the classpad was included (which we arnt planning on) it could go CFX+3 AFX+1 CP+0...

[4nic8]

a set model bonus

What do you mean?

[CrimsonCasio]

I mean that for basic games we could automatically add a pre-determined number of points to the total score to compensate for any advantages games on that type of calc would incur. so:

a CFX game that scored 30 would get +3 and be 33
a AFX game that scored 30 would get +1 and be 31
and (if included) a CP game that scored 30 would get +0 and be 30

see?

[4nic8]

Ok, now I understand. That's a good idea.

[Bob Vila]

quick question, can qwerty and i make the same game for different calcs? (cfx and classpad)

[4nic8]

@Bob Vila: Your question isn't too quick

[CrimsonCasio]

well, right now we really arnt planning on letting Classpad games and progs be entered, after all the classpad recently had a competition of its own... it seems a bit unfair to hold another one so soon. now if the SDK is released before the comp starts then we will have to allow classpad competition.

[Bob Vila]

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@Bob Vila: Your question isn't too quick

i thought it was

[casiokingdom]

btw when can we start making programs and games? can we start now?

[CrimsonCasio]

hmmm... i dont think so as we may impose some kind of restriction (yet to be decided) to make sure the games are started at the same time. (then again we might not )

[Mohamed]

Err, like Crimson said, no one is allowed to start now (it's all about being fair, cheat and you'll always carry the sin of cheating )

As everyone must know by now, here's the results of users' votes:

• No BASIC programming competition.
• Competition takes place by the first of July.
• Time for ASM/C games: 5 months (ends by the 1st of December).
• Time for ASM/C programs: 4 months (ends by the 1st of November).
• Time for BASIC games: 4 months (ends by the 1st of November).
• BASIC results will be out ASAP (at least we'll try ), mind you, ONLY results.
• The final awards will only be given by the end of the competition.
• Results should be announced by the end of the year.
• An announcement will take place before the 1st of July by about a week giving out the conditions & terms of the competition, and taking the names of the competitors.
• Judging will take place like last year.
• Users will be given the top three winners of each category (mind they will be graded by judges, because they're given points) to choose the best.

Crimson: I wouldn't support the AFX/CFX points, AFX has better speed, CFX has colors, it's just fair.

[CrimsonCasio]

thats true, but the CFX has so much less memory that its limited in several other ways, thus a CFX game should be given at least +1 point to offset this diffrence (i would go for as much as +3), last time I tryed to grade on a curve and give CFX games some freebies but if done this way the game could be graded simply as a game, then the point bonus could be added later.

[CrimsonCasio]

ive been thinking, if the point bonus thing doesnt go over well this time then in the next comp we can split the models into their own catagories and only award the winners... that way it stayes fair and (with the classpad) we have the same number of winners.

[X-thunder28]

crimson: I think you should give a malus only if an AFX Basic Program is heavier than CFX max memory.

[mastermage]

yes, and if it uses advantages of the afx (20 pictures)

[casiokingdom]

err, why isn't there a BASIC programming comp?? i will probably enter a program but not a game as i don't have time to make games, but at least with programs, i can use it to help me at school.

[Mohamed]

err, why isn't there a BASIC programming comp??

I guess it was obvious why we run this thread.
We took the users' opinions and none of them chose it but you and Bob Vila.
So this is not for discussion.

Anyway, you could make a useful BASIC program before the competition starts, or better yet, learn ASM or C as fast as posssible during this month and make your program.

[[neo]f4kill]

he can't because he don't have an afx..

[Andy.Davies]

i suppose he could learn using the emulator, like i am (i cant be botherd to transmit the progs to the calc, untill they are nearly finnished )

[mastermage]

be aware that the emulator still has some bugs...
if something doesn't work on it, you should test on your real calc before spending days searching an error in your source code