Now that Casio has got TI on the ropes, with the new Prizm color screen, will they do the same with their Classpad, by making it clearly more desirable than the TI nshit cas model, by providing a color screen Classpad model? Or will they let this opportunity slip by? I thought they would it quickly to clearly establish themselves as the technology leader in calculators but havn't heard a word. Anybody got any info on that?
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Posted 10 February 2011 - 08:08 PM
Wrong forum. 
I guess, they are already working on this. OS 3.04 and 3.05 were only minor updates, so there should come something big.
But most likely not before 2012 as 2011 is the Prizm year. I mean, would you buy a Prizm if there was a full color ClassPad 400 instead?
What will it look like? Well, since CPM 3.04 the *.exe file includes the following:
I guess, they are already working on this. OS 3.04 and 3.05 were only minor updates, so there should come something big.
But most likely not before 2012 as 2011 is the Prizm year. I mean, would you buy a Prizm if there was a full color ClassPad 400 instead?
What will it look like? Well, since CPM 3.04 the *.exe file includes the following:
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Posted 11 February 2011 - 01:12 AM
Wrong forum.
I guess, they are already working on this. OS 3.04 and 3.05 were only minor updates, so there should come something big.
But most likely not before 2012 as 2011 is the Prizm year. I mean, would you buy a Prizm if there was a full color ClassPad 400 instead?
Yes, I would because the Prizm is allowed for standardized tests that a cas calculator would not be qualified for.
What is the right forum?
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Posted 11 February 2011 - 02:18 PM
The ClassPad forum?What is the right forum?
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Posted 12 February 2011 - 01:52 AM
Quote ASTRO491K "...than the TI nshit cas model,..."
This is the only calculator site where members seem to be more involved with thinking up catchy and overall innappropriate phrases about products, than the products themselves. Such comments aren't even allowed on some ti forums. These comments leave a bad taste in my mouth about the respectability of this forums members.
This is the only calculator site where members seem to be more involved with thinking up catchy and overall innappropriate phrases about products, than the products themselves. Such comments aren't even allowed on some ti forums. These comments leave a bad taste in my mouth about the respectability of this forums members.
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Quote ASTRO491K "...than the TI nshit cas model,..."
This is the only calculator site where members seem to be more involved with thinking up catchy and overall innappropriate phrases about products, than the products themselves. Such comments aren't even allowed on some ti forums. These comments leave a bad taste in my mouth about the respectability of this forums members.
Aw you poor baby! I'm sure that was just a typing error, but you really should drop your holyier than thou attack on Astro and get out in the real world and see whats going on. Actually I, and no doubt many other people, think that Astro's description is not only very catchy but also very appropriate.
TI has had decades to spend the R&D money and modernize their cas, and provide at least the math capabilities that their competition has, if nothing better, but they stubbornly persist in continuing to sell the same old design with a new spin, like a "Titanium" model that has no titanium in it, or the nspire that has no inspiring new math capability.
You need to understand that there is a lot of pent up frustration with TI. After nearly 15 years of waiting, TI comes out with a new calculator design (nspire) that has a poor hard to read screen, the same old cas that continues to lack competitive math capability, a calculator that is about the size of a brick, that has complicated and limited programing, and tiny closely spaced buttons that cause lots of input errors. Mean while Casio has constantly improved their products and now offers the new Prizm which is direct competition for the nspire, and is not only easier to use, but even has a color screen.
My advice is simple. If you want a good calculator, don't look to TI. Their screen, their keyboard and their cas capabilities are all out dated. If you have an nspire, chuck it in the trash were it belongs and buy a Prizm. If you need or want a cas calculator, don't settle for a third rate product, buy a Classpad or Hp50g. And most importantly, don't sit around waiting for TI to produce something worth buying. I did for years, and it never happened. Don't let that happen to you.
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Thank you for your post. I would like to add that the nspire cas doesn't even have all the math capabilities of previous TI calculators, much less the capabilities of competiting calcluators!!! For example the TI-89 can plot slope fields and has built in Runge-Kutta and Euler solution capability along with 3-d graphing but the Ti-nsire cas model has none of that. On the one hand I find it amazing that a company would try to sell a new product that has less capability than their previous models but on the other hand I find it even more amazing that there are so called educated people like teachers would buy such a product and use it in their class. Clearly such teachers are not very bright and should not be trusted to teach our children.
Aw you poor baby! I'm sure that was just a typing error, but you really should drop your holyier than thou attack on Astro and get out in the real world and see whats going on. Actually I, and no doubt many other people, think that Astro's description is not only very catchy but also very appropriate.
TI has had decades to spend the R&D money and modernize their cas, and provide at least the math capabilities that their competition has, if nothing better, but they stubbornly persist in continuing to sell the same old design with a new spin, like a "Titanium" model that has no titanium in it, or the nspire that has no inspiring new math capability.
You need to understand that there is a lot of pent up frustration with TI. After nearly 15 years of waiting, TI comes out with a new calculator design (nspire) that has a poor hard to read screen, the same old cas that continues to lack competitive math capability, a calculator that is about the size of a brick, that has complicated and limited programing, and tiny closely spaced buttons that cause lots of input errors. Mean while Casio has constantly improved their products and now offers the new Prizm which is direct competition for the nspire, and is not only easier to use, but even has a color screen.
My advice is simple. If you want a good calculator, don't look to TI. Their screen, their keyboard and their cas capabilities are all out dated. If you have an nspire, chuck it in the trash were it belongs and buy a Prizm. If you need or want a cas calculator, don't settle for a third rate product, buy a Classpad or Hp50g. And most importantly, don't sit around waiting for TI to produce something worth buying. I did for years, and it never happened. Don't let that happen to you.
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Aw you poor baby! I'm sure that was just a typing error, but you really should drop your holyier than thou attack on Astro and get out in the real world and see whats going on. Actually I, and no doubt many other people, think that Astro's description is not only very catchy but also very appropriate.
TI has had decades to spend the R&D money and modernize their cas, and provide at least the math capabilities that their competition has, if nothing better, but they stubbornly persist in continuing to sell the same old design with a new spin, like a "Titanium" model that has no titanium in it, or the nspire that has no inspiring new math capability.
You need to understand that there is a lot of pent up frustration with TI. After nearly 15 years of waiting, TI comes out with a new calculator design (nspire) that has a poor hard to read screen, the same old cas that continues to lack competitive math capability, a calculator that is about the size of a brick, that has complicated and limited programing, and tiny closely spaced buttons that cause lots of input errors. Mean while Casio has constantly improved their products and now offers the new Prizm which is direct competition for the nspire, and is not only easier to use, but even has a color screen.
My advice is simple. If you want a good calculator, don't look to TI. Their screen, their keyboard and their cas capabilities are all out dated. If you have an nspire, chuck it in the trash were it belongs and buy a Prizm. If you need or want a cas calculator, don't settle for a third rate product, buy a Classpad or Hp50g. And most importantly, don't sit around waiting for TI to produce something worth buying. I did for years, and it never happened. Don't let that happen to you.
Thank you. I agree with the points you have made. TI certainly made a big big mistake by ignoring what customers want for the sake of pandering to high school math teachers. For example by severely limiting programing and ignoring higher education needs, they alienated a huge segment of the calcuator market. To correct that they need to scrap the nshit stuff and produce new products that are similiar to, but an improvement on, their previous successes such as the 84,89 and voyage200 which many people still prefer to the nshit.
One of the big selling points for TI calculators had always been ease of use. By departing from that winning strategy they have cost their reputations big time. No one wants a calculator that is difficult and time consuming to figure out how to use, and when you add to that the fact that the calculator is dumbed down from previous TI calcuator products, their is no reason to waste your money on such a product. Note: If some idiot math teacher pressures you to buy such a poor product you need to bring that to the attention of your school board and ask that the teacher be fired.
TI has had years now to correct the big mistakes they made by introducing the nspire products but they have steadfastly refused to do so. Clearly they are still in denial so I don't hold out any hope that they will produce any thing worth buying now or in the future. It is very clear that the era of TI being a leader in high end calculators is over and it is time to switch to better products such as the Prizm, Classpad and Hp50g. No doubt Casio will continue to produce superior products to what TI is offering.
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Posted 16 February 2011 - 02:41 PM
less ranting & more real-world examples we can try on our calculators to compare the strengths and weaknesses of our calculators please.
As someone who doesn't know much about the finer points of how they differ, it would actually be useful to know the finer points.
It would also actually help those looking to buy a new calculator doing their research.
As someone who doesn't know much about the finer points of how they differ, it would actually be useful to know the finer points.
It would also actually help those looking to buy a new calculator doing their research.
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less ranting & more real-world examples we can try on our calculators to compare the strengths and weaknesses of our calculators please.
As someone who doesn't know much about the finer points of how they differ, it would actually be useful to know the finer points.
It would also actually help those looking to buy a new calculator doing their research.
Actually you have been given you a great deal about the finer points. You are going to spend a great deal of your life looking at your calculator screen and using it's keyboard so put the Prizm side by side with the nspire and use each keyboard and look at the screens and decide for yourself. And if it's math capability that you are after try plotting the simple equation z=x+y on the Classpad and then on the nspire cas model to check out which one does a better job then try working with Laplace transforms and again check out which calculator is better. You have been given the results of people who have done their research if you don't believe them, then yes, of course you need to do your own research but please don't just come here and complain and contribute nothing.
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Posted 17 February 2011 - 02:48 AM
To be honest I agree with you. A lot of TI users are fed-up at TI for the reasons that got stated above, so they got a Prizm and started learning SH3 assembly, but they were disgusted at the hate towards both TI users and calc gaming that occurs on Casiocalc.org. As a result, they started their own Casio PRIZM forum on a TI one: http://www.omnimaga....php?board=146.0Quote ASTRO491K "...than the TI nshit cas model,..."
This is the only calculator site where members seem to be more involved with thinking up catchy and overall innappropriate phrases about products, than the products themselves. Such comments aren't even allowed on some ti forums. These comments leave a bad taste in my mouth about the respectability of this forums members.
I assure you that if anyone there starts bashing Casio users and gets caught starting a TI vs Casio war, he's gonna be warned quick. He can even be banned for trolling if he continues. The exact same thing would happen if Casio guys started bashing TI users.
The UCF forum have huge potential to get more active with the arrival of the Casio PRIZM. Don't waste it by starting Casio vs TI wars just for the sake to start a rivalry between users of both platforms. I saw TI forums fall apart with ASM vs BASIC or TI-83 vs TI-89 arguments. They were warned this would happen. Now you have been warned.
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Actually you have been given you a great deal about the finer points. You are going to spend a great deal of your life looking at your calculator screen and using it's keyboard so put the Prizm side by side with the nspire and use each keyboard and look at the screens and decide for yourself. And if it's math capability that you are after try plotting the simple equation z=x+y on the Classpad and then on the nspire cas model to check out which one does a better job then try working with Laplace transforms and again check out which calculator is better. You have been given the results of people who have done their research if you don't believe them, then yes, of course you need to do your own research but please don't just come here and complain and contribute nothing.
Lots of people contribute "nothing" because the are learning about these devices. The stuff in bold is what I want to see more of. Real-world examples of the strengths and weaknesses of the calculators. Except with more detail showing even the newbie how to do it.
Saying to avoid one brand while buying another and just ranting about brands is silly without something to back it up; that's all I am trying to get across. A topic or website (ideally) that goes into step-by-step detail about the differences between calculators (with pictures) without so much silly fluff between posts would be far more effective, I reckon. Some posts here do that, many others do not - and many others completely ignore the competition's strengths when they have their pet favorite brand. I fail to believe that one brand has EVERYTHING going for it over another. Just impossible in this competitive market. A lot would depend on your needs and wants and the finer points are rarely discussed, in favour of brand-worship.
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To be honest I agree with you. A lot of TI users are fed-up at TI for the reasons that got stated above, so they got a Prizm and started learning SH3 assembly, but they were disgusted at the hate towards both TI users and calc gaming that occurs on Casiocalc.org. As a result, they started their own Casio PRIZM forum on a TI one: http://www.omnimaga....php?board=146.0
I assure you that if anyone there starts bashing Casio users and gets caught starting a TI vs Casio war, he's gonna be warned quick. He can even be banned for trolling if he continues. The exact same thing would happen if Casio guys started bashing TI users.
The UCF forum have huge potential to get more active with the arrival of the Casio PRIZM. Don't waste it by starting Casio vs TI wars just for the sake to start a rivalry between users of both platforms. I saw TI forums fall apart with ASM vs BASIC or TI-83 vs TI-89 arguments. They were warned this would happen. Now you have been warned.
DJ, I went to the link you posted and was extremely impressed with the volume of quality posts regarding the Prizm. I read pages and pages for hours and hours. It is so very very fasinating. Then I wanted to ask a question, which prizm model are the people posting on your site referring to and what is the difference, but I was met by the following road block:
"You must be logged in and have a minimum of 20 posts to use OmnomIRC! Otherwise, you must either use the java chat linked above or connect to irc://irc.efnet.org and join #omnimaga channel. Logging in will also make it easier for you to access the chat logs through more links above."
I don't understand. A minimum of 20 posts where? And is the site I was reading OmnomIRC? Is your site closed to new people? Are the posts on the site linked above on OmnomIRC? or is that site something else? I didn't find the java chat link and could not figure out how to connect to irc://irc.efnet.org where does the http:// go? I tried http://irc://irc.efnet.org and that didn't work. Also, I didn't find any way to send my question to any of the people posting, as their email addresses are hidden. My interest is in learning how to program the Prizm in a more efficient way than by using the casio language if that is possible. I have some experience with C++ and I am fasinated by the prospect of programing calculators using the Assembly language, or even something more basic. Your site seems like the place to start but frankly I don't know how or where to do the 20 posts or if that is necessary in order to ask a question or two, or if your site is even open to new members.
P.s. I am interested in what a calculator can do and what I can do with it, so I read everything I can about how the calculators compare and I hope your statement "you have been warned" won't stop people from pointing out the differences here, but obviously it should be a civil discussion and not become a name calling contest. Is that what you were warning against? Actually I re-read all the posts again and didn't find any hate, so I don't understand who you are warning or for what reason. My impression was that each posting made some valuable comments.
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Lots of people contribute "nothing" because the are learning about these devices. The stuff in bold is what I want to see more of. Real-world examples of the strengths and weaknesses of the calculators. Except with more detail showing even the newbie how to do it.
Saying to avoid one brand while buying another and just ranting about brands is silly without something to back it up; that's all I am trying to get across. A topic or website (ideally) that goes into step-by-step detail about the differences between calculators (with pictures) without so much silly fluff between posts would be far more effective, I reckon. Some posts here do that, many others do not - and many others completely ignore the competition's strengths when they have their pet favorite brand. I fail to believe that one brand has EVERYTHING going for it over another. Just impossible in this competitive market. A lot would depend on your needs and wants and the finer points are rarely discussed, in favour of brand-worship.
Please don't be offended Brooce but what I am trying to explain to you is that people have done "their" research and they have come to "their" conclusions which of course "they" are entitled to. You are not entitled to those conclusions but they have been generously shared with you. Then when you complain that what you have been given isn't good enough you are simply being ungrateful which is symptomatic of early child hood training. Assuming you are an adult now you need to ask yourself why you expect others to do your work for you, according to your specifications, as if you are entitled to that.
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Lots of people contribute "nothing" because the are learning about these devices. The stuff in bold is what I want to see more of. Real-world examples of the strengths and weaknesses of the calculators. Except with more detail showing even the newbie how to do it.
Saying to avoid one brand while buying another and just ranting about brands is silly without something to back it up; that's all I am trying to get across. A topic or website (ideally) that goes into step-by-step detail about the differences between calculators (with pictures) without so much silly fluff between posts would be far more effective, I reckon. Some posts here do that, many others do not - and many others completely ignore the competition's strengths when they have their pet favorite brand. I fail to believe that one brand has EVERYTHING going for it over another. Just impossible in this competitive market. A lot would depend on your needs and wants and the finer points are rarely discussed, in favour of brand-worship.
"The stuff in bold is what I want to see more of." Yeh, sure boss, I'll jump right on it. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. On second thought, I'm not your mother. Do it yourself.
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Posted 17 February 2011 - 09:29 AM
OmnomIRC is not the site. The site is Omnimaga. OmnomIRC is just a chatroom that acts like a bridge between IRC and the site, so people do not have to go through the hassle of connecting to IRC to chat. However, since this was much easier to chat with this interface, this lead to new problems: spam.DJ, I went to the link you posted and was extremely impressed with the volume of quality posts regarding the Prizm. I read pages and pages for hours and hours. It is so very very fasinating. Then I wanted to ask a question, which prizm model are the people posting on your site referring to and what is the difference, but I was met by the following road block:
"You must be logged in and have a minimum of 20 posts to use OmnomIRC! Otherwise, you must either use the java chat linked above or connect to irc://irc.efnet.org and join #omnimaga channel. Logging in will also make it easier for you to access the chat logs through more links above."
I don't understand. A minimum of 20 posts where? And is the site I was reading OmnomIRC? Is your site closed to new people? Are the posts on the site linked above on OmnomIRC? or is that site something else? I didn't find the java chat link and could not figure out how to connect to irc://irc.efnet.org where does the http:// go? I tried http://irc://irc.efnet.org and that didn't work. Also, I didn't find any way to send my question to any of the people posting, as their email addresses are hidden. My interest is in learning how to program the Prizm in a more efficient way than by using the casio language if that is possible. I have some experience with C++ and I am fasinated by the prospect of programing calculators using the Assembly language, or even something more basic. Your site seems like the place to start but frankly I don't know how or where to do the 20 posts or if that is necessary in order to ask a question or two, or if your site is even open to new members.
P.s. I am interested in what a calculator can do and what I can do with it, so I read everything I can about how the calculators compare and I hope your statement "you have been warned" won't stop people from pointing out the differences here, but obviously it should be a civil discussion and not become a name calling contest. Is that what you were warning against? Actually I re-read all the posts again and didn't find any hate, so I don't understand who you are warning or for what reason. My impression was that each posting made some valuable comments.
The reason why OmnomIRC is blocked to people under 20 posts was due to abuse: Spambots could sign up and flood the chat with viagra, cialis, casino and adult advertisments. In addition to that, there was huge spam attacks potential from random script kiddies joining just to have fun. PM'Ing members is disabled under 5 posts for the same reason too: on another calc site, 900-2000 members received links to viruses from a 0 post member. Basically the restrictions on the chatroom are just to make it harder for spambots and trolls to attack the site. Don't hate because of that, because you could have easily asked the question on the forums anyway, and if you hate for such things you will probably not be welcome on the forums with such attitude anyway (especially not if you are this user: http://www.omnimaga....=profile;u=1597 ). Also the chat was broken yesterday anyway.
I seriously don't want to have to spend hours per day banning users who change proxies to spam the channel because all they need to do is register a new account.
The site is open to new people as long as they're respectful. Basically if you join, you just ask questions on the forums, or you can ask them on Casiocalc, hoping one of the guys there or here sees this thread. I hope you understand the restriction on the chatroom, because if you remain mad just because of that, you're probably not gonna be wanted on the site anyway.
As for the "You have been warned" comment, it was directed at everybody who bashes TI users and programmers here or people who defend a TI model. In the TI community, there were similar wars being started between TI-83 Plus and TI-89 users as well as BASIC vs ASM vs C programmers. In long terms, people got sick of the drama and left the community. After a few years, fewer and fewer people remained and the community almost died. I told people they should stop and warned them that if they continued, they would tear apart the TI community where they are. They didn't listen to me and it happened. So today, I am telling the Casio community to be respectful toward others regardless of what calculator they prefer, otherwise you're gonna scare away potential new Casio users from the forums. In fact, it already started to happen, otherwise that sub-forum I linked to would not even exist. In summary, I warn everyone that if they continue their Casio fanboyism, the Casio community will die or move elsewhere.
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Any good links you can share that I'm not entitled to?Please don't be offended Brooce but what I am trying to explain to you is that people have done "their" research and they have come to "their" conclusions which of course "they" are entitled to. You are not entitled to those conclusions but they have been generously shared with you
By good links I mean succinct, to the point, and without pages of ranting?
Thanks. Rants where "don't buy brand x, buy brand y" blanket statements are made should be backed up with some examples, I reckon"The stuff in bold is what I want to see more of." Yeh, sure boss, I'll jump right on it. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. On second thought, I'm not your mother. Do it yourself.
Otherwise it's childish posturing.
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Posted 19 February 2011 - 07:08 AM
Hello here are my experience with calculators.
I have used both Casio and Ti calculators
Calculators i have
Casio CFX-9850GB Plus -- about 8 year old calculator. slow processor. 4 color. Was top of the line in it's time. Was a lot more user freindly than TI 83
Casio FX-9860GII -- 1/2 year old calculator. One color. Fast processor. User freinldly. I would rank it in between TI 84 and TI 89 for the amount of feutures it has. Still is more user freindly than TI 89.
Classpad 330 3.05 OS just bought it. Dose everything that TI 89 does and probably more. Is user freindly. Is a must for calculus. Does indefinate intigrals which lower versions of calculators didn't do. Only Classpad 330 and TI 89 do indefinate intigrals. I am going to compare the processor speed of classpad compared to TI 89 and post results here.
Overall my advice would be go Casio because they are more userfriendly. What i mean by that is that casio makes icons whitch make it easy to find anything you want. Also Casio are cheaper in price.
I have used both Casio and Ti calculators
Calculators i have
Casio CFX-9850GB Plus -- about 8 year old calculator. slow processor. 4 color. Was top of the line in it's time. Was a lot more user freindly than TI 83
Casio FX-9860GII -- 1/2 year old calculator. One color. Fast processor. User freinldly. I would rank it in between TI 84 and TI 89 for the amount of feutures it has. Still is more user freindly than TI 89.
Classpad 330 3.05 OS just bought it. Dose everything that TI 89 does and probably more. Is user freindly. Is a must for calculus. Does indefinate intigrals which lower versions of calculators didn't do. Only Classpad 330 and TI 89 do indefinate intigrals. I am going to compare the processor speed of classpad compared to TI 89 and post results here.
Overall my advice would be go Casio because they are more userfriendly. What i mean by that is that casio makes icons whitch make it easy to find anything you want. Also Casio are cheaper in price.
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Posted 19 February 2011 - 11:09 AM
Only Classpad 330 and TI 89 do indefinate intigrals.
HP 50g also calculates indefinite integrals and much more... http://commerce.hpcalc.org/50g.php
I am going to compare the processor speed of classpad compared to TI 89 and post results here.
Calculator Benchmark
http://www.hpmuseum....es.cgi?read=700
Calculator Benchmark: Loops of addition
http://www.hpmuseum....s.cgi?read=1002
Overall my advice would be go Casio because they are more userfriendly. What i mean by that is that casio makes icons whitch make it easy to find anything you want. Also Casio are cheaper in price.
I agree.
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