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[karkov]

Hi there! I would like to know if anyone can tell me how i can get some chemistry, or physics programs for my calculator, like tehe periodic table!
Xan anyone help me? Please!!!!1

[TacoFred]

i dont think that casio has put the add-ons up for download yet

[The_AFX_Master]

an answer....and a question..I have PHYSIUM, an add in created by casio that contents all the periodic table in a pretty format. PHYSIUM was made for algebra fx 2.0, if your calc is compatible with AFX 2.0 software, you would install PHISIUM.EXE using Flashcom, the question: Flashcom works with cfx8960?, AFX 2.0 executables are compatible with 9860g series calculator.... please any that have this calc, answer this

[TacoFred]

I think the cfx 9860 is not intercompatible with the other cfx/fx/afx series, but with the classpad(?)

[Brazzucko]

If you can use the AFX2 BASIC programs in your calc just try my Periodic Table program

One link to the Periodic Table 2 is

http://perso.wanadoo...riodicT2.72.zip

Another link but to the Periodic Table 3 is

http://algebrafx2.ea...ms/periodic.zip

I'm working in a brand new version, the Periodic table 4 when I finish it I will release it in tha File Sharing

[The_AFX_Master]

confirmed yesterday on classpad.tk (spanish), casio would release PHYSIUM and IPROG, and other add ons in december, probably with the SDK. i hope for a CAS and ALGEBRA releasing also.

Although 9860g seems to be a very powerful machine, its 64 kb of ram is a problem. what?s the utility of 1.5 mb flash, plus "N" mb on a SD card....if you have the worst RAM on all casio "gold label" (AFX,CP,new 9860) series, more add ons, request more RAM.and the power of processor is capped by the poor RAM .i dont know what casio think???, 9860 would be the "keyboarded" copy of the classpad, and it would be the best machine ever made by casio, the power of the CP, and the versatility of the AFX series (no stylus and touchscreen, more resistant, and a little cheap) . in a summary, japanese people is too hard to understand by us the western ones! .....arigato for all

[amos89]

hi

one of my friends has a Graph 85 (french for the Fx 9860g Sd) and i find out that you can install basic files with fa 124.

[huhn_m]

yes ,basic files should work but as far as we know the processor is
not compatible with the NEC of the AFX series.

Actually we will have to wait for the first add ins and disassemble them ... and we need a working emu or a model of the 9860 to test it. I'm currently upgrading my processor to Athlon64 X2 so I don't have the money for a new calc.

[TacoFred]

by the time you have to upgrade your processor, i'd recommend just buying a new computer

[huhn_m]

? The rest is fine ....

450GB Harddisk
DVD Recorder
Radeon 9600XT with 256MB
1GB DDR Ram (PC3200 & 2700) both at 400MHz

A new computer in this category would cost me ~600-900 Euro

for the upgrade I pay ~100 bucks after I sold some stuff from my 3rd computer.

Since I constantly upgrade all my computers (my 3rd gets the 2500+ and the ASUS mainboard) I'll never need to buy a complete new PC ... at least it will never be cheaper...

[huhn_m]

yes.. but it is more meant to be compatible with the cp proccessor wise.

The CP apps are more likely to run on the 9860 than the AFX apps
(I mean the APPS, not the BASIC programs!!)

[huhn_m]

from the external hardware side (keyboard, screen ...) the FX should be superior.

I don't know if the 9860 is such a good deal, since it is not much cheaper than the ClassPad anyways.

NO! RAM is VERRY important ... more RAM = faster and, apps have to share the RAM with the dataspace of the user. Actually we don't really know how big the ram really is. Fact is, if the programs have only 30 kb or less to access it will be difficult to write advanced programs (that can be stored on flash).

Also keep in mind that you can NOT save basic files (Programs) directly to flash. If it is like with the FX/AFX you can only flash 1 (ONE!) backup of the ram to the flash and this means just 128KB storage ... flash is mostly used for add-ins, and if the 1,5MB are a value depends on how much is released by casio and by the community.

Natural Display: Only ClassPad and 9860 have this, AFX not
Show in Fractions: I think all cals by casio have this
Geometry is available for the CP as well. If you need it for school then the AFX / FX won't be much of a help for you. Chemistry and Physics plugins and BASIC programs are available for the AFX/FX

Suggestion: Buy the Classpad 300 since it is the best if you don't need to
watch the money.

Go for the FX if geometry does not seem to important to you or you are so good at coding that you can write the apps for yourself.
If Geometry is Important and you must watch the Money go for the 9860

[Lovecasio]

Hi.
I have had my AFX 2.0 plus for about 3.5 years, and I can say it is a very useful calculator for high school student. What I have known now is fx 9860 doesn't have CAS function, but it can be downloaded if Casio releases new OS or add-in. I also have ClassPad 300, and it is very good for Geometry, but in the test I refer using AFX 2.0+ because keyboard makes you enter data faster.
My opinion is: If you by ClassPad, your calc will have bighter future, and so does 9860. However, a normal calculator for everyday class use, least bugs, then I recomend AFX.

[huhn_m]

please include a short description of your text in english so that the others know what your wrote .... PLEASE!

[huhn_m]

the truth is, that we can't tell. The CFX 9860 uses a faster processor MHz wise i think but with a non-x86 compatible architecture.


Since we can not yet access the hardware directly because there were neither add-ins nor an sdk released noone can tell for sure. Most of the "old" ones here don't have the calc since there is no point in getting it if there is neither a sdk nor a way to programm for it otherwise.

So just the truth is we can't tell. (yet)

[huhn_m]

CAS probably won't be ported since we neither have the sources nor can transform the x86 disassembled code easily. (nor would it be legal )
I don't know if casio will release CAS for the calc but I don't think so since it would make it unusable in may countries with CAS disallowed in exams.

RAM doesn't influence the speed of the calc if you don't want to programm for it in assembler or C. The main programs of the calc will surely have more than enough memory.

[LordNPS]

Does the 9860 suports ASM/C? There's going to be an SDK so I supose so... anyone really knows?

[LordNPS]

One thing do you believe that the fact that the 9860 is only able of dealing with 6 simulanious graphs , 6 variables , and can only solve polynomial equations to the 3rd degree is directly connected to the fact of having less memory or CASIO simply removed all those variables and graphs just because they were far many more than necessary?

[huhn_m]

it reall can do only 6? Thats weak .. I think partly even weaker than the CFX 9850.

Why don't you go for the FX? Is the geomertry app so important for you?

You can't code such complex things like CAS in BASIC. I think even noone here can do it in ASM or C (or only with loads of work) so don't expect anything in this direction from us.

[LordNPS]

It's not the geometry, is more the Natural text dislpay, and the faster processor....
About the FX1... it does not supports ASM does it? And I feel like it's kind of an old model.... I am reluctant to buy something as old as FX1 ... 9860 seams to have a more promising future.
Really I Am Buying it.
Tehn we can get this straight right ?
Even if it is not as powrfulll as the FX1 plus I still prefer... because of the add ons... and such.
I guess we'll have to try to see.... This monday (tomorrow by 7:30 ) I'll have it... then I could test it. Then we'll see If it was a good purchase or not... I would love to do some benchmarking....
I ll start a new Topic about Speeds... then we would be able to compare them .
I think I am not going to regret buying it. It's already packed whith emulator , but not SDK q I thought it was suposed to be lauched in november right?
Anyway thanx for all the replyes.

[Andy.Davies]

FX1 supports ASM...

[huhn_m]

the FX 1.0 is in fact nearly 2 years old ... so it is a quite new calc. Only one year older than CP 300 and definately newer than all CFX series calcs berfore the 9860 and newer than the AFX 2.0.

The "future" of the 9860 will most likely be determined by CASIO since I (for myself) see no point in learning ASM for another processor (just for a calc).

[LordNPS]

Ok 1st:
9860 supports ASM and C
second 9860 IS NOT an CFX.

And well guys, I haven't turned casio for TI I just chose a difrent model really don't hate me for that ....(just kidding)
I love FX 1 and AFX2 they're far the best calculators I ve touched . I simply feel more atracted for Fx9860 for it's performance.
I 'm sure each one has it's advanteges and disadvatages... I think none of you is going to help me with programming right ? so ok . I will handle it myself no problem.
about the benchmarking... i would really love to test it anyone can tell me how... it's just that I feel the processor is so powrfull.... I still don't have it , but yestarday night I went to staples to try one... it's bloody powerfulll!
Amazing speed and Natural text display is suberb.
I guess if I had the power to choose between AFX2 and 9860 i would choose AFX2 but I can't use that one... just the FX1 plus, and as far as I've enquired 9860 is superior.

[huhn_m]

... FX1 is the same as AFX2

Right ... it is no CFX. I always thought that.

You will NOT feel the power of the processor in benchmarking since the
BASIC language of the calc is so incredibly slow that it is now measure
for processor performance.

[casiokaki]

Frist of all I would like to say that I have both AFX2.0 for more than 2 years and also the FX9860-SD which I was given 2 months back from my friend who sells Casio calc.

from the external hardware side (keyboard, screen ...) the FX should be superior.

From hardware view, FX-9860 is indeed better. I have tested the graphing ang solver power, the FX-9860 is at least 3 times faster than my AFX2.0+. The screen is very much crispier and the level of reflection when used under lights are low.

I don't know if the 9860 is such a good deal, since it is not much cheaper than the ClassPad anyways.

According to my friend the supplier price for CP300 is about 40% more than FX-9860. This is in Malaysia and Singapore though.

NO! RAM is VERRY important ... more RAM = faster and, apps have to share the RAM with the dataspace of the user. Actually we don't really know how big the ram really is. Fact is, if the programs have only 30 kb or less to access it will be difficult to write advanced programs (that can be stored on flash).

I agreed the RAM is important for large program. At the FX the storage memory is more than twice the size of AFX but the RAM is about half the size of AFX. Not too sure about the actual RAM size though.

Also keep in mind that you can NOT save basic files (Programs) directly to flash. If it is like with the FX/AFX you can only flash 1 (ONE!) backup of the ram to the flash and this means just 128KB storage ... flash is mostly used for add-ins, and if the 1,5MB are a value depends on how much is released by casio and by the community.

Natural Display: Only ClassPad and 9860 have this, AFX not
Show in Fractions: I think all cals by casio have this
Geometry is available for the CP as well. If you need it for school then the AFX / FX won't be much of a help for you. Chemistry and Physics plugins and BASIC programs are available for the AFX/FX

A good thing at FX is that we can save the programs, not backup, into either the storage or the SD card. So if you can afford a SD then that is good.

The natural display is good for a few things. First of all the natural display of FX-9860 is more for Inputing expression only. This is due to the feedbacks from school that the ES series natural output is too powerful is is thus unsuitable for exam. So you will see the ES series displays square root of 5 naturally but not in this FX.

Still in this natural input we still can now do say, graphing of Log(2,8) nicely rather than graphing it using the change of base of ln8/ln2.

The Geometry for FX will be released next year so if you can wait...it will be like the TI Cabri Junior but it is proprietary products of Casio no doubt.

The extra features like the SPread sheet might be useful to some. One thing I like abotu FX is that Casio totally just moved 95% of AFX design and functions to the FX. Still in terms of function and programming AFX is very good but due to exam rule the CAS may be putting your hands off the model. Also, it is slightly more expensive than FX.

[casiokaki]

It's not the geometry, is more the Natural text dislpay, and the faster processor....
About the FX1... it does not supports ASM does it? And I feel like it's kind of an old model.... I am reluctant to buy something as old as FX1 ... 9860 seams to have a more promising future.
Really I Am Buying it.
Tehn we can get this straight right ?
Even if it is not as powrfulll as the FX1 plus I still prefer... because of the add ons... and such.
I guess we'll have to try to see.... This monday (tomorrow by 7:30 ) I'll have it... then I could test it. Then we'll see If it was a good purchase or not... I would love to do some benchmarking....
I ll start a new Topic about Speeds... then we would be able to compare them .
I think I am not going to regret buying it. It's already packed whith emulator , but not SDK q I thought it was suposed to be lauched in november right?
Anyway thanx for all the replyes.

You will not be disappointed with the performance. As I am typing right now I am testing both AFX2.0 and FX by graphing these 3 functions at the same time:
Y1=sinxcosx, Log(2x+cosx) and the polar function r=sqrt(sint)cost.

I reset all flash memory and use the same settings and view windows. Guess what, ths FX finished graphing all 3 while the AFX2.0 is still doing Y1.

I downloaded the eActivity from Casio site and store these into the FX, and then getting in to the eActivity becomes a bit slower cause of that. The memory taken up by these eActivities is huge but the sample I am testing from Casio site is very good. it is not as good as the CP 300 but it is something comparable. if you got the FX try the Cut and Paste feature, I feel it is like the Cp300 drag and drop.

The emulator I got from the net is very cool cause I need not do my typing at the calc but at y PC...but it is not like CP00 emulator where we can click on anywhere of the screen to do editting, the emulator still like the FX itself!!

Well that is what I have got so far.

casiokaki

[LordNPS]

Yes, the calc is very fast indeed , and I just love the screen... so large... compared to Fx1 .
i stilll don't understand much the concept of e-activity but....
Anyway, the calc is very fast, the screen is just lovly , as it outperforms FX1 and AFX in speed and in size
It has got plenty of memory.... (with a 32Mb Sd card I have in it I am not having space issues:) )
The Natural display language is just terrific.... it's the best when it comes to input....
About the programming... when the SDK is launched... I guess it will be better right now it's pretty weak...
The basic interpreter is far to slow....
I'm programming a circuitry tool for my calc in basic... it's suposed to be a eletric circuit editor, who can calc the resistences, their equivalents and so on....
It's coming along nicely
About communication, it both "talks" to FX1 and CFX9850 from my math collegues....
So I supose it was the best buy.....
Anyone really knows when the SDK is commning?
it was suposed to be in November... but still nothing.

[huhn_m]

now this sounds nice

Don't have the money though ... seems I was caught for speeding today ... so I'll have to keep my money together

[casiokaki]

Yes, the calc is very fast indeed , and I just love the screen... so large... compared to Fx1 .
i stilll don't understand much the concept of e-activity but....
Anyway, the calc is very fast, the screen is just lovly , as it outperforms FX1 and AFX in speed and in size
It has got plenty of memory.... (with a 32Mb Sd card I have in it I am not having space issues:) )
The Natural display language is just terrific.... it's the best when it comes to input....
About the programming... when the SDK is launched... I guess it will be better right now it's pretty weak...
The basic interpreter is far to slow....
I'm programming a circuitry tool for my calc in basic... it's suposed to be a eletric circuit editor, who can calc the resistences, their equivalents and so on....
It's coming along nicely
About communication, it both "talks" to FX1 and CFX9850 from my math collegues....
So I supose it was the best buy.....
Anyone really knows when the SDK is commning?
it was suposed to be in November... but still nothing.

Yes it is very fast indeed. Try graph a log function like log 2X to the base of 3. You can go to the GRAPH mode and choose to type in this using the SHIFT 4 to access the CATALOG. Then look for logab.

The eActivity is very cool, cause they are few features here which is ONLY available in this mode. Like the Copy and Paste, CP 300 like TEXT to MATH line, calling out strip...You can find out more at the manual on eActivities.

Infact if you think about it carefully, since you can set the display to LINE MATH, you will revert back to the CFX9850 display, you sort of have two calculators in one! (One is FX, another is CFX...)

Pity Casio did not improve the programming..sigh. SDK, yes, when will that be? About the programming, say you have a program of 40K. When you copy it to either the SD or Storage area, the file thus become a .glm file and the size suddenly doubles tp 85K! This is what I do not understand?? Fortunately the Storage or SD should have enough space to handle this files.

casiokaki

[LordNPS]

Any chances of seing some MCL ported to 9860 ?
The game that won first prize on UFC 2004... how can you program in TP for calculators???
is there any special compiler ? how is it done?

[huhn_m]

you almost certainly cant use TP for the 9860.

You can for the AfX/FX since they have an x86 (80286 - protected mode to be exact) compatible processor (the NEC V30MZ or so) and use MSDos.

However most of the libraries are homebrew since we needed to adopt the libs to the hardware. But you can write in ASM/C/TP , basically any language that can generate pre-80386 code (so no Turbo Basic or Java or stuff). There was some great work done by the "oldies" (sorry ) in this field (BradN, Dscoshpe and many others) unlessyou find someone similarly dedicated to your platform or have a decent SDK no machine programs will run on your calcs. Dscoshpes API (Add IN Packager) was the first program to allow executable to be transfered to the calculator.

And I won't port MLC2 to the 9860 (unless someone donates me one )since I don't have the model and not the money to buy one. SOrry

However, the specs and sources of MLC2 will be open (e.g. they are made available to the public) and if someone wants to port it, you're free to do so. Go ahead!

[LordNPS]

Yap , thought so .
Anyway I got some fairly good programming skills.... I even give suplementar programming classes to the 12th
grade....and I'm in the 10th...
If you could let me take a look at the code I would gladly pass it to Cp architecture... but first I need the SDK to get realeased cause I can't port a thing in Assembler without knowing the machine .... and so far I got nothing about the 9860 intern structure....
Do any of you know a site or part of a site with some dedicated 9860 info....
?

[huhn_m]

the code will be made public as soon as it is a little further (and more stable and versatile).

For sources. The 9860 is just too new. Your first place for information is
here or the french (Graph100 forums) if you speak french.

If we don't have it I doubt a lot of others have info.