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#1 Debb

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Posted 01 August 2007 - 05:31 PM

Hello,

The GnuBoyCP add-in is corrupting the ClassPad's operating system. Please do not run this program! I think you will need to take your ClassPad to a CASIO service center for repair if you see the screen with "DRIVER INITIALIZE ERROR". I am letting CASIO know about this but in the meantime, please don't run this program.

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Posted 01 August 2007 - 05:45 PM

It may only be corrupting the RAM, and taking out the batteries/resetting could fix it. Just so you know.

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Posted 01 August 2007 - 05:58 PM

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QUOTE(Andreas B @ Aug 1 2007, 06:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It may only be corrupting the RAM, and taking out the batteries/resetting could fix it. Just so you know.[/quote]

Sadly, this is probably not going to help. This is a more serious error that won't (as I understand) be fixed by that. Doesn't hurt to give it a try of course, but I wouldn't experiment with this add-in.

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Posted 01 August 2007 - 06:16 PM

Well, what did you expect? vanhoa already said he corrupted his own ClassPad.

The lesson to be learned here is don't run programs if the author himself (vanhoa) doesn't understand what he is doing. vanhoa just stole copyrighted code pasted it into gnuboy. Heck, maybe that's why he doesn't really want to freely share the source code... Sadly, some people here promote such behavior and deny that it's wrong to just copy code...

He even admits copying Stefan K?nig's work: http://casiokingdom....F...sc&start=15

I used this in GnuBoy...


I've downloaded your Revolution source... and tood a look at your gray scale function... You did not save the origional (is this word right?) Handler-Adress value of the timer...


Well, that post (particularly the bit about the handler) just shows vanhoa didn't know what he was doing. Not saying this definitely (because code can be "cleaned" and "fixed" to remove the evidence), but I wouldn't be surprised if a messed-up mutated version of stolen code from the Revolution-FX project was used in gnuboy...

In the future, after Microsoft is bought out and destroyed by DEVO, Inc., <{GNULINUX}> will become the widespread OS. I'll be searching through some <{GNULINUX}> forums (because I'll be moving from Windows to <{GNULINUX}>) and find a post by vanhoa, "I took some random code that I don't understand from the <{GNULINUX}> kernel and smashed it back together hoping it will work and guess what I created: Windows!" :blink:

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Posted 01 August 2007 - 10:41 PM

The GnuBoyCP add-in is corrupting the ClassPad's operating system.

Why I'm not surprised?

Well, what did you expect? vanhoa already said he corrupted his own ClassPad.

Indeed, but this time at least he said "use it at your own risk".

In the future, after Microsoft is bought out and destroyed by DEVO, Inc., <{GNULINUX}> will become the widespread OS. I'll be searching through some <{GNULINUX}> forums (because I'll be moving from Windows to <{GNULINUX}>) and find a post by vanhoa, "I took some random code that I don't understand from the <{GNULINUX}> kernel and smashed it back together hoping it will work and guess what I created: Windows!" :blink:

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Posted 01 August 2007 - 11:29 PM

[quote name='Debb' post='41897' date='Aug 1 2007, 06:31 PM']Hello,

The GnuBoyCP add-in is corrupting the ClassPad's operating system. Please do not run this program! I think you will need to take your ClassPad to a CASIO service center for repair if you see the screen with "DRIVER INITIALIZE ERROR". I am letting CASIO know about this but in the meantime, please don't run this program.

Debb[/quote]


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QUOTE(Andreas B @ Aug 1 2007, 06:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It may only be corrupting the RAM, and taking out the batteries/resetting could fix it. Just so you know.[/quote]


[quote name='Debb' post='41900' date='Aug 1 2007, 06:58 PM']B)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Andreas B @ Aug 1 2007, 06:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->It may only be corrupting the RAM, and taking out the batteries/resetting could fix it. Just so you know.

Sadly, this is probably not going to help. This is a more serious error that won't (as I understand) be fixed by that. Doesn't hurt to give it a try of course, but I wouldn't experiment with this add-in.

Debb[/quote]


[quote name='kucalc' post='41901' date='Aug 1 2007, 07:16 PM']Well, what did you expect? vanhoa already said he corrupted his own ClassPad.

The lesson to be learned here is don't run programs if the author himself (vanhoa) doesn't understand what he is doing. vanhoa just stole copyrighted code pasted it into gnuboy. Heck, maybe that's why he doesn't really want to freely share the source code... Sadly, some people here promote such behavior and deny that it's wrong to just copy code...

He even admits copying Stefan K?nig's work: http://casiokingdom....F...sc&start=15
Well, that post (particularly the bit about the handler) just shows vanhoa didn't know what he was doing. Not saying this definitely (because code can be "cleaned" and "fixed" to remove the evidence), but I wouldn't be surprised if a messed-up mutated version of stolen code from the Revolution-FX project was used in gnuboy...

In the future, after Microsoft is bought out and destroyed by DEVO, Inc., <{GNULINUX}> will become the widespread OS. I'll be searching through some <{GNULINUX}> forums (because I'll be moving from Windows to <{GNULINUX}>) and find a post by vanhoa, "I took some random code that I don't understand from the <{GNULINUX}> kernel and smashed it back together hoping it will work and guess what I created: Windows!" :blink:[/quote]


[quote name='PAP' post='41904' date='Aug 1 2007, 11:41 PM']Why I'm not surprised?

Indeed, but this time at least he said "use it at your own risk".

:plol: :plol: :plol:
Btw, don't wait for Micro$oft destruction to migrate to Linux. Do it now! You won't regret it. Linux is rock-stable, free, and much faster than Window$ (the mega-virus pretending to be an operating system). Try Debian Linux; it's not just an operating system, it's 4 DVDs full of every application you might need (except CP Manager :()[/quote]

All of you are not sure about what you are saying!

First, Driver initialize error occurs when ClassPad failed to load some programs called Driver on boot up. This only happed when using speed up... Any addin which crashs while it double, triple or quadrupe the machine's speed will occurs this error! This is not hardware error, this is software error. One more thing, if kucalc's right, GNUBOY's speed up has no destroy to your ClassPad's hardware and the grayscale also have no wrong inside it.

STOP SAING ANYTHING YOU DONT KNOW OR DONT SURE, I KNOW MUCH ABOUT HIS THAN ANY OF YOU!

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Posted 02 August 2007 - 12:01 AM

Btw, don't wait for Micro$oft destruction to migrate to <{GNULINUX}>. Do it now! You won't regret it. <{GNULINUX}> is rock-stable, free, and much faster than Window$ (the mega-virus pretending to be an operating system). Try Debian <{GNULINUX}>; it's not just an operating system, it's 4 DVDs full of every application you might need (except CP Manager :()


Cool. Downloading it right now, by Saturday I'll have it.

All of you are not sure about what you are saying!


Hey, let's stop for a minute and talk about this completely (It has to be done). There's no need to take this on everyone. I believe the only person you can possibly be mad at is me. Andreas, PAP and Debb did nothing. Checking the time in Vietnam right right now, is this how you start the morning at 6:29 AM?

First, Driver initialize error occurs when ClassPad failed to load some programs called Driver on boot up. This only happed when using speed up... Any addin which crashs while it double, triple or quadrupe the machine's speed will occurs this error! This is not hardware error, this is software error. One more thing, if kucalc's right, GNUBOY's speed up has no destroy to your ClassPad's hardware and the grayscale also have no wrong inside it.


Again, if you knew what you were doing, then those errors wouldn't occur. My CPUSPEED is safe in that it only changes the internal CPU frequency, while keeping the peripheral/hardware frequency the same at a stable frequency and for months since the first release of CPUSPEED NO ONE has reported that CPUSPEED has done fatal harm, driver initialization failure or corrupted the OS of the fx-9860G. You've always said anyway that changing the CPU speed is harmful and you were against me doing it for the fx-9860G, so don't even blame me for your problems. :nonono:

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Posted 02 August 2007 - 12:08 AM

The hardware may be the same, but the system are completely different between CP and FX :(

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Posted 02 August 2007 - 01:08 AM

Hi again,

vanhoa, you are right, this is a software problem. My topic title is incorrect. But, if you have already damaged your ClassPad, then further testing of programs is not very accurate. At least that is what I think.

I am not a programmer but work with the ClassPad all the time. I have never seen the Driver Initialize Error and have been told that this is a sign of possible damage to the operating system. I don't want others to cause damage to their ClassPads. That's all. I have enjoyed all your hard work but if you can't test your programs yet are working with critical areas of the ClassPad, then I worry.

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Posted 02 August 2007 - 02:16 AM

The thing which made my CP destroyed is testing x4 speed, not GnuBoy

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Posted 02 August 2007 - 07:35 AM

Any addin which crashs while it double, triple or quadrupe the machine's speed will occurs this error! This is not hardware error, this is software error.

The thing which made my CP destroyed is testing x4 speed, not GnuBoy

No comments, just read the above quotes.

STOP SAING ANYTHING YOU DONT KNOW OR DONT SURE, I KNOW MUCH ABOUT HIS THAN ANY OF YOU!

You are in an urgent need to shout that you are a great programmer, and that your programming skills are superior compared to ours. You did it already plenty of times.

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Posted 02 August 2007 - 10:27 AM

No comments, just read the above quotes.

They are not relative... Crash here mean fatal errors which can not be displayed, and that's all.


You are in an urgent need to shout that you are a great programmer, and that your programming skills are superior compared to ours. You did it already plenty of times.

No, I dont have time as much as I need, I have to learn and wanna to play games, CP is not my life, and working without testing and debugging is not easy, one more thing, I'm not a great programmer, I know more about this because I got this problem before you. That's all.

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Posted 02 August 2007 - 10:47 AM

They are not relative... Crash here mean fatal errors which can not be displayed, and that's all.

I think that the two phrases I have quoted say it all, but since you disagree, I'll try to explain the obvious: First you say that increasing machine's speed may result software errors (not hardware), then you admit that you managed to destroy your ClassPad that way: "The thing which made my CP destroyed is testing x4 speed". An obvious contradiction.

Anyway, you already said that you didn't tested GnuboyCp (because your ClassPad is already destroyed), so anyone who has problems by using it cannot blame you. All users install your addin at their own risk.

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Posted 02 August 2007 - 11:54 AM

I think that the two phrases I have quoted say it all, but since you disagree, I'll try to explain the obvious: First you say that increasing machine's speed may result software errors (not hardware), then you admit that you managed to destroy your ClassPad that way: "The thing which made my CP destroyed is testing x4 speed". An obvious contradiction.

It is not relative at all, my CP's hardware is not damaged <_< . You think that there is a way to damage CP's hardware just by software? Silly.

Anyway, you already said that you didn't tested GnuboyCp (because your ClassPad is already destroyed), so anyone who has problems by using it cannot blame you. All users install your addin at their own risk.

Of cause, they should use it at their own risk.

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Posted 02 August 2007 - 12:23 PM

It is not relative at all, my CP's hardware is not damaged <_< . You think that there is a way to damage CP's hardware just by software? Silly.


Try to run at x20 speed, and look if your CPU is still unharmed. :)

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Posted 02 August 2007 - 02:03 PM

Ah, a good way :)

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Posted 02 August 2007 - 02:04 PM

It is not relative at all, my CP's hardware is not damaged <_< . You think that there is a way to damage CP's hardware just by software? Silly.

Never heard about melted/burned processors after excessive overclocking? :rolleyes: Don't forget that a higher frequency means more heat in the hardware ;)

Of cause, they should use it at their own risk.

Precisely. That's why there must be a text file with you program, saying something like "WARNING: This program use several unsupported features and hacks, there is a risk of it damaging your system. You're free to use at your own risks. If you encounter any bug/problem/crash, please report it to ...". And it's once again missing in gnuboy's package. <_<
These are the kind of things (negligence, lack of professionalism) that make people angry ;)

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Posted 05 August 2007 - 12:54 PM

Debb On 2007-08-01 (20:11 CEST) 1/10 Please don't use. See forum for serious problems. I think that this add-in seems to be damaging the operating system, requiring the ClassPad to be repaired by CASIO service center.


Debb, you should take a look at this, please read it carefully!

NO ADDIN CAN DAMAGE THE OPERATING SYSTEM WITHOUT ACCESS IT IN A SERIOUS WAY. THE ONLY WAY GNUBOY CAN BROKE YOUR CLASSPAD IS RANDOM WRITING TO THE DRIVERS WHEN THE CLASSPAD BOOTS UP, SO IT WILL NEVER DAMAGE YOUR CLASSPAD IF YOU DONT MAKE IT CAUSE ANY ERROR, I AND MANY ELSE USED IT NORMALLY WITHOUT ANY ERRORS, BUT WHY YOU GOT IT, I DONT THINK THIS GNUBOY HAVE ANY SERIOUS BUG OR MANY BUGS, IT SHOULD BE YOU WHO TRY TO REPLAY THE BUG MANY MANY TIMES WITHOUT NOTE ME ABOUT IT :nonono: IF YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND SOMETHING, FIRST ASK ABOUT IT!

YOU DO NOT WANT TO USE IT, THAT IS OKEY, BUT YOU MUST MUST MUST MUST THICK IT VERY CAREFULLY BEFORE TALIKNG ABOUT ANY IMPORTANT PROBLEM!


EDIT:
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Posted 05 August 2007 - 01:22 PM

Debb, I must say that vanhoa isn't completely wrong... You're going a lot too far. There are limits in what people may say about the others' works <_<
This is pure discrimination. You're not totally wrong neither, but you must moderate your words. It's perfectly OK to say "be careful, there is a risk that this program causes a crash of the system and makes you lose all your data", but you may not say as if "if you try to use it, your CP will be broken and you will need to send it for repair!". You said "I think that this add-in seems ...", but still, you are just pretending it because Killburn reported a crash and because vanhoa said that his own CP is broken. (And it is broken because of the risks he took to try/discover some new interesting stuff, not because he played gnuboy). And you gave a "1/10" note as if you were certain that this add-in would cause a crash. Did you experience it yourself? Fortunately not.

I still say vanhoa should have added more warnings and instructions with his add-in (see my post above). But I can understand how angry he must feel while reading such bad - and wrong - comments about his work.

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Posted 05 August 2007 - 08:23 PM

Debb, you should take a look at this, please read it carefully!

NO ADDIN CAN DAMAGE THE OPERATING SYSTEM WITHOUT ACCESS IT IN A SERIOUS WAY. THE ONLY WAY GNUBOY CAN BROKE YOUR CLASSPAD IS RANDOM WRITING TO THE DRIVERS WHEN THE CLASSPAD BOOTS UP, SO IT WILL NEVER DAMAGE YOUR CLASSPAD IF YOU DONT MAKE IT CAUSE ANY ERROR, I AND MANY ELSE USED IT NORMALLY WITHOUT ANY ERRORS, BUT WHY YOU GOT IT, I DONT THINK THIS GNUBOY HAVE ANY SERIOUS BUG OR MANY BUGS, IT SHOULD BE YOU WHO TRY TO REPLAY THE BUG MANY MANY TIMES WITHOUT NOTE ME ABOUT IT :nonono: IF YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND SOMETHING, FIRST ASK ABOUT IT!

YOU DO NOT WANT TO USE IT, THAT IS OKEY, BUT YOU MUST MUST MUST MUST THICK IT VERY CAREFULLY BEFORE TALIKNG ABOUT ANY IMPORTANT PROBLEM!


EDIT:

Sorry for the post :(


Vanhoa,

My fear is other users potentially damaging their ClassPads in a way that requires service. Not everyone has access to a service center. The reasons for my concern are, ?Driver Initialize Error? is a serious error, what you have said about your ClassPad being damaged while testing Gnu-Boy, and Kilburn?s post, which he noted that he had lost all his addins. (See below)

Have you tried to get your ClassPad fixed? Maybe it is a simple problem that they could fix and then you could use it fully again. I have enjoyed many of your programs and am impressed with all your hard work!

Wishing you the very best,
Debb

PS I am trying to get the topic title changed because, as I said before, I shouldn?t have said ?hardware?, I meant software.

Snippets from vanhoa?s posts on ?Gnuboy + Speed-up + Grayscale?
Jul 23 2007, 03:19 PM
Use them at your own risk. I curently use the x3 ver and havent seen any crash (I've tested x4 again but It crash my ClassPad again...)

Jul 25 2007, 05:36 AM
Dont think about the 4x ver anymore, my ClassPad is still not normal (Am isnt saved to FLASH when turn off; after reset, the maximum number of addins can be shown is 4...) ... Your CP will be broken.

Jul 26 2007, 05:39 AM
But sorry everybody, my ClassPad is corrupted 100% so I cant test my addins... This mean there will not be any future version of my addins until I could get my next ClassPad...

Kilburn on Aug 1 2007, 03:25 PM
http://www.casiocalc...c...ost&p=41894

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Posted 05 August 2007 - 09:51 PM

Come on, "Driver initialize error" is just a name, which could describe any kind of error :rolleyes: But that's right, typically when you see this error it's because something bad happened. Or more exactly, if the CP was running in the "normal" way, and if that error happened, this would be very bad.
But here the CP was running in an "overclocked" mode, so if this error occurs, that does not directly mean that the CP is broken: It's just that something strange happened after a crash in the overclocked mode, and the CP understood it as a "Driver initialize error" because the CPU was not running as it should (and actually it is not really surprising). ;)

Finally, about your snippets: Yes, vanhoa's CP has been damaged when he tried to overclock it with x4 speed. Gnuboy is running at x3 speed, which seems to be fine (from what his tests have shown)... So what? <_<
You just proved that gnuboy should actually be fine, except the risk of "bad usage" :lol:

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Posted 06 August 2007 - 07:06 AM

Yes, I agree with Orwell, "Driver Initialize Error? is not a serious error. And in the other hand, CPGnuBoy can not damage your ClassPad without trying to open files larger than 128kB. I've check the source code again, everythings should wok fine.

So the problem is overclocking has effect to some time based events on ClassPad, but the events which may cause "Driver Initialize Error" CAN NOT RUN WHEN GNUBOY IS RUNING, so if you START GNUBOY AND EXIT GNUBOY NORMALLY It will not cause any error or prroblems for CP, to do so, you must tell me the way you got that error so that I can fix it...

I dont think you do not undestand the problem now, Debb.

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Again, if you knew what you were doing, then those errors wouldn't occur. My CPUSPEED is safe in that it only changes the internal CPU frequency, while keeping the peripheral/hardware frequency the same at a stable frequency and for months since the first release of CPUSPEED NO ONE has reported that CPUSPEED has done fatal harm, driver initialization failure or corrupted the OS of the fx-9860G. You've always said anyway that changing the CPU speed is harmful and you were against me doing it for the fx-9860G, so don't even blame me for your problems. :nonono:

I have to ask, if you are so smart and know everything, why haven't you released a CPUSPEED for the classpad. Is there a reason you are keeping it so private? I think everyone would be happy if you released it for the ClassPad so people don't end up using vanhoa's buggy version that corrupts the classpad. Prehaps you work for Microsoft and it's just in your nature to keep things on one plateform?

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Posted 09 August 2007 - 07:57 PM

The is a CPUSpeed that Vanhoa has released.
http://www.casiocalc...?showtopic=3367
Although that is Exec Speed, I'm not sure if it is the same, is it???
And Vanhoa, you could upgrade that to 3x speed now because you have figured out how to make GnuBoy 3x ;)

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Posted 09 August 2007 - 08:07 PM

I have to ask, if you are so smart and know everything, why haven't you released a CPUSPEED for the classpad. Is there a reason you are keeping it so private? I think everyone would be happy if you released it for the ClassPad so people don't end up using vanhoa's buggy version that corrupts the classpad. Prehaps you work for Microsoft and it's just in your nature to keep things on one plateform?


LOL!!!!! :plol: :plol: :plol: This must be the craziest thing I have ever heard! It's probably vanhoa's friends or some guy hiding behind a proxy. I bet if a moderator IP checked this post...

Dude, first of all, I have no intentions for programming for the ClassPad because I don't own one. If you can read, look at the list of calculators I own on the left side of this page. Why would I write a program that deals with physical hardware, when I don't physically own a ClassPad. With your type of logical thinking, that's like saying "break a safe with a crowbar without using a crowbar". :blink: Or "Use Windows because Windows sucks and ruins your life."

If you want me to write CPUSPEED for the ClassPad, then why don't you buy me a ClassPad yourself. Then I'll start programming for the ClassPad.

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Posted 10 August 2007 - 12:46 AM

Sorry about posting up that link... I thought the quote was of Vanhoa not Kucalc.

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Posted 10 August 2007 - 01:13 AM

LOL!!!!! :plol: :plol: :plol: This must be the craziest thing I have ever heard! It's probably vanhoa's friends or some guy hiding behind a proxy. I bet if a moderator IP checked this post...

Dude, first of all, I have no intentions for programming for the ClassPad because I don't own one. If you can read, look at the list of calculators I own on the left side of this page. Why would I write a program that deals with physical hardware, when I don't physically own a ClassPad. With your type of logical thinking, that's like saying "break a safe with a crowbar without using a crowbar". :blink: Or "Use Windows because Windows sucks and ruins your life."

If you want me to write CPUSPEED for the ClassPad, then why don't you buy me a ClassPad yourself. Then I'll start programming for the ClassPad.



lol, I really do not kno who is that guest <_< , and, to the guest, Exec Speed is not buggy, the ClassPad's OS is bugy in x2/x3/x4 Speed.

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lol, I really do not kno who is that guest <_< , and, to the guest, Exec Speed is not buggy, the ClassPad's OS is bugy in x2/x3/x4 Speed.

The ClassPad OS is buggy in x2/x3/x4?? They didn't design the OS to run at that speed, so you can't say it's buggy. :rolleyes:

Exec Speed can corrupt someone's classpad at 2x or 3x. It corrupted your classpad at 4x because you pushed it outside of the hardware specs. Your classpad might be able to run at 3x, but the next guys might now because this is outside of the specs.

Anyone who use Exec Speed runs the risk of corrupting their OS.

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Posted 10 August 2007 - 08:39 PM

The ClassPad OS is buggy in x2/x3/x4?? They didn't design the OS to run at that speed, so you can't say it's buggy. :rolleyes:

Exec Speed can corrupt someone's classpad at 2x or 3x. It corrupted your classpad at 4x because you pushed it outside of the hardware specs. Your classpad might be able to run at 3x, but the next guys might now because this is outside of the specs.


Why don't you reveal yourself? I'm guessing that you meant to say: "Your classpad might be able to run at 3x, but the next guys might not because this is outside of the specs."

Well, here are my opinions:
* Why take the risk of damaging a $180 calculator? I can understand why with a fx-9860 because it costs about $80 here, but a $180 ClassPad?
* I don't see how games on a ClassPad could be enjoyable with the ClassPad's design, especially because of that stylus. Calculators like the AFX, CFX's and fx-9860, I believe offer more comfortability when playing games. What if TI's made calculators that use stylus? Their users would hate that... The ClassPad uses a stylus because its professional and it's intended for professionals and people who are serious. Just like how people buy Palm PCs and Blackberries for professional business. Nobody buys Palm PCs for playing games such as Halo and Half-Life...
* If I had $180, I would buy a ClassPad for it's CAS and mathematical functionalities. If I wanted to play games, then I would buy a Nintendo DS Lite because I can get one of those for $180. (For just $19 more dollars, I can even get a new $199 Linspire-installed PC with a 2.0GHz AMD, 1GB RAM, 40GB hard drive here at Fry's Electronics...)

So, just don't put anything that can potentially ruin a $180 calculator! If you bought a ClassPad just to play games, you've made the wrong choice, because you could have gotten a Nintendo DS Lite for that price. A lot of effort has been put into designing the ClassPad (CASIO even has a separate company programming the CAS, right?) for educational purposes, not for games. Even TI is trying to mimic the move CASIO has done, by designing the TI-nSpire to have more educational functionality and less programming and gaming capabilities. Just because the ClassPad and TI-nSpire have good hardware specs, they aren't meant for playing games.

Maybe you can do these type of stuff with a fx-9860 or a AFX (see them on eBay now for ~$30), but with $180 ClassPad?!?!?!? My parents would be super angry if I ruined a $180 calculator...

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Posted 10 August 2007 - 08:57 PM

My parents would be super angry if I ruined a $180 calculator...

Same!

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Posted 10 August 2007 - 10:04 PM

My parents not, but I think kucalc's right ^_^




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