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Posted 15 June 2011 - 08:08 AM

In a surprising move, TI released a pocket version of the 84+ in France... Which blocks all downgrades.

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Posted 16 June 2011 - 01:10 AM

In a surprising move, TI released a pocket version of the 84+ in France... Which blocks all downgrades.


Just another reason to not buy a TI calc. When I buy a calc, it is mine and I want to be able to use what ever os I choose to use. Could someone please explain to me why ti insists on being az-oles. They seem to go out of their way to convince people to not to buy their products. I don't understand it. :nonono:

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Posted 16 June 2011 - 09:37 PM

Just another reason to not buy a TI calc. When I buy a calc, it is mine and I want to be able to use what ever os I choose to use. Could someone please explain to me why ti insists on being az-oles. They seem to go out of their way to convince people to not to buy their products. I don't understand it. :nonono:


Whats to understand? They are what they are (you nailed it ass-oles) and they do what they do because they are what they are. Quite frankly many people are leaving TI because of TI's additude towards customers. Have you tried the Prizm? It is quite powerful, easy to use, and you don't have to put up with the TI additude.

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Posted 17 June 2011 - 10:26 PM

Whats to understand? They are what they are (you nailed it ass-oles) and they do what they do because they are what they are. Quite frankly many people are leaving TI because of TI's additude towards customers. Have you tried the Prizm? It is quite powerful, easy to use, and you don't have to put up with the TI additude.


Actually the people at ti are obsessed with trying to control people so that they can't use ti calculators in any manner that is not approved of by ti. It's a compulsive obsessive mental health issue.

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Posted 19 June 2011 - 07:52 PM

The CX (not the CX CAS) which is available, and has been available for some time is not available at my local Walmart store which has does have the old nspire touch pad models on display. To attempt to dump the obsolute models on unsuspecting customers thru Walmart ticks me off and doesn't do TI's reputation any good either. Actually dumping obsolete models on unsuspecting customers says a lot about how little TI cares about the customer. They must think we are a bunch of suckers to be exploited! :profanity:


Of all the legitimate things to trash TI over you guys sometimes pick the oddest things. Do we really think TI will purchase the old models and take them off the shelf and destroy them ? If they did, they'd be head and shoulders above any other company in existence. Maybe I'm out of touch, but name me an electronic product where the manufacturer came out with an updated model and basically did a recall on the old product in order to prevent people from buying an older model ?

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Posted 20 June 2011 - 12:23 AM

Of all the legitimate things to trash TI over you guys sometimes pick the oddest things. Do we really think TI will purchase the old models and take them off the shelf and destroy them ? If they did, they'd be head and shoulders above any other company in existence. Maybe I'm out of touch, but name me an electronic product where the manufacturer came out with an updated model and basically did a recall on the old product in order to prevent people from buying an older model ?


The responsible thing for TI to do is identify the old models and sell them at greatly reduced prices just like the auto industry does when they introduce their new models each year.

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Posted 23 June 2011 - 09:50 PM

The responsible thing for TI to do is identify the old models and sell them at greatly reduced prices just like the auto industry does when they introduce their new models each year.


Based on how they are dumping obsolete calc's at full price (actions speak louder than words), Ti is not about to do the responsible or the right thing. They have no social consience. All they know is greed. They will screw the customer any way they can when they can make more money that way. :nonono:

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Posted 01 July 2011 - 05:19 PM

Based on how they are dumping obsolete calc's at full price (actions speak louder than words), Ti is not about to do the responsible or the right thing. They have no social consience. All they know is greed. They will screw the customer any way they can when they can make more money that way. :nonono:


Agreed. You know what sort of people they are by their actions (and sometimes the lack of actions that they take). I am completely amazed by their tactics. It is as if they are intentionally trying to drive customers away. The sale of obsolete calc's at full price indicates to me that I cannot trust them to treat me fairly. Todays TI is not the kind of company that I want to do business with. Although I have two older TI calculators, I won't be buying an nspire version because I suspect that one way or another they will screw me. Maybe it will be on price, or it could be product performance, or customer service, I really know or don't care how they do it, I just don't want the worry that is associated with doing business with people of their character. That's my opinion.

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Posted 02 July 2011 - 07:36 AM

Yesterday, when a person asked how to send a Lua game to his Nspire because he could not figure out how to do it in the expensive Student Software, the TI Cares customer service (or "TI doesn't care" as they're commonly known) said that all games and third-party programs would void the warranty of his Nspire, and that they would not tell him at all how to send files - not even documents that are not games! If they say that Lua games void the warranty, why do they support Lua? Either TI is very strange, or they have no idea about how their products work. (Or both?)

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Posted 02 July 2011 - 03:46 PM

Yesterday, when a person asked how to send a Lua game to his Nspire because he could not figure out how to do it in the expensive Student Software, the TI Cares customer service (or "TI doesn't care" as they're commonly known) said that all games and third-party programs would void the warranty of his Nspire, and that they would not tell him at all how to send files - not even documents that are not games! If they say that Lua games void the warranty, why do they support Lua? Either TI is very strange, or they have no idea about how their products work. (Or both?)


Thats exactly the sort of thing I was refering to when I indicated that I don't understand why ti does things to drive away customers. I have had similiar experiences. The people at TI are simply maladjusted with their uncooperative and unhelpful approach to doing business. Hopefuly, Casio will soon come out with a color screen version of the classpad. Then there will be no reason for anyone to buy a TI calculator. Of course the teachers who get free calculators or other bribes will continue supporting TI until they get fired for their unethical behavior but that is another problem.

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Posted 03 July 2011 - 03:56 PM

Thats exactly the sort of thing I was refering to when I indicated that I don't understand why ti does things to drive away customers. I have had similiar experiences. The people at TI are simply maladjusted with their uncooperative and unhelpful approach to doing business. Hopefuly, Casio will soon come out with a color screen version of the classpad. Then there will be no reason for anyone to buy a TI calculator. Of course the teachers who get free calculators or other bribes will continue supporting TI until they get fired for their unethical behavior but that is another problem.


Correction: What I meant was perks. Disregard the word bribes. There have been posts indicating that some teachers get newly developed calculators before they are available on the market for others to purchase and that is what I was referring to. Also when calling ti-cares teachers seem to get faster service. Sorry about the error in my previous post, the English language is not my field of expertise.

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Posted 06 July 2011 - 07:15 PM

Having had some experience with the purchasing profession I would like to point out that at most well run companies, accepting anything of value and that includes calculators, can cost you your job and for good reason. As the purchasing agent it is your job to negotiate the best price, delivery, and service for your company, of a product that meets your companies requirements, and you cannot do that when you cannot evaluate all the suppliers and their products without bias. On the other hand, it is the job of the salesman sitting on the other side of the table to gain his or her company a favored status, so they are just doing their job when they offer to buy lunch or provide you with something of value, but it is the wise person who who refuses such gifts realizing that the paycheck that they recieve is far more valuable. I would hope that school districts provide their teachers with such guidance and hold them accountable when a potential conflict of interest occurs.

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Posted 21 July 2011 - 01:38 AM

I think this is one of the best article on the web comparing the ti nspire cx to the casio prizm. cx vs. prizm Read it, and tell us what you think.

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Posted 22 July 2011 - 12:42 AM

I think this is one of the best article on the web comparing the ti nspire cx to the casio prizm. cx vs. prizm Read it, and tell us what you think.


Interesting article. I agree with most of what was said but I do take issue with two points. First the value of the linking feature that the nspire has. I see that feature as a gimmic that panders to the people who chase answers rather than do math, and that is a very bad habit to get into, so I would not want my students to use the nspire because it facilitates sloppy math habits. The other point that I take issue with is the learning curve for the nspire. The author seems to minimize the how difficult the nspire is to learn how to use. I prefer to meet this issue head on and say yes, the npsire is difficult to learn how to use, so plan on using a lot of time learning how to use the device if you choose the nspire but if you want to use most of your time learning math choose the Prizm. That is how I see the trade off.

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 03:10 AM

Interesting article. I agree with most of what was said but I do take issue with two points. First the value of the linking feature that the nspire has. I see that feature as a gimmic that panders to the people who chase answers rather than do math, and that is a very bad habit to get into, so I would not want my students to use the nspire because it facilitates sloppy math habits. The other point that I take issue with is the learning curve for the nspire. The author seems to minimize the how difficult the nspire is to learn how to use. I prefer to meet this issue head on and say yes, the npsire is difficult to learn how to use, so plan on using a lot of time learning how to use the device if you choose the nspire but if you want to use most of your time learning math choose the Prizm. That is how I see the trade off.


Actually most reviews and all that I read on the internet say that the nspire is much easier to use than previous ti calculators.

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 12:24 PM

Actually most reviews and all that I read on the internet say that the nspire is much easier to use than previous ti calculators.


Actually if you go to this link:
http://groups.google...8bd8b237ad85e7f
and scroll down to some posts by Joe you will find a more accurate and honest review of TI's half baked efforts at calcuator design than the Pablum that you mention. :greengrin:

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 09:37 PM

Actually most reviews and all that I read on the internet say that the nspire is much easier to use than previous ti calculators.


Based on my experience the Prizm is definitely easier to use than the nspire but I see that you are comparing the nspire to previous ti calculators.

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Posted 27 July 2011 - 03:19 AM

Actually if you go to this link:
http://groups.google...8bd8b237ad85e7f
and scroll down to some posts by Joe you will find a more accurate and honest review of TI's half baked efforts at calcuator design than the Pablum that you mention. :greengrin:


Joe must be a very large man to have such large fingers. I agree the keys look small. But what I can't reconcile are the very few ( but very loud ) complaints about the keys being too small with the lack of complaints on boards where the people use the Nspire CX every day ( most being adults/teachers ).

Not having an Nspire CX in my possession I had to resort to a screenshot and some dimensions online. I scaled it up and determined the equals key ( left of the trig ) is 7.5mm wide. So, the entire key ( equals key + trig key ) is 15mm wide. I have a Casio fx-115MS in front of me and the Sin key is 8mm wide. Let me know if I goofed up the measurements. I think I extrapolated them right.

I guess I won't know until I get one but I have to imagine I won't be having a problem with those keys. Now the alpha keys are a different story. They sure do seem very small. Still, they do have space between them, unlike some of the other keys. The size doesn't bother me as much as the fact it's not a querty layout.

More so than the size of the keys, I would prioritize changing some of the dedicated keys. This ( even the CAS ) isn't really intended to be for engineers is it ? More for High School students ? I'm confused. Aren't a lot of Joe's concerns explained by the fact that the calculator just isn't intended for Joe's audience ? Or did they not focus the development for High School ? It sure seems like that's the focus.

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Posted 27 July 2011 - 02:52 PM

"But what I can't reconcile are the very few ( but very loud ) complaints about the keys being too small with the lack of complaints on boards where the people use the Nspire CX every day ( most being adults/teachers )."
Answer: You need to understand that TI treats teachers much better than other customers and as a consequence teachers for the most part the teachers who use nspires are bindly loyal to TI and would buy dog turds if they were sold by TI. Also keep in mind that teachers are not spending their own money. Expect teachers comments, especially those on the google nspire teachers sight to be blindly biased in favor of what ever TI does. Also, if you follow that sight, you will notice that anytime that someone trys to get a conversation going about the weaknesses of the nspire calcualtors they are shut down by the moderator.

"Aren't a lot of Joe's concerns explained by the fact that the calculator just isn't intended for Joe's audience ? Or did they not focus the development for High School ? It sure seems like that's the focus."
Answer: Take a good look at the math capability of the nspire cx cas. There is a lot of stuff that is college related so it is not clear just what TI is focusing on other than money of course. You might ask them and tell us what you find out.

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Posted 28 July 2011 - 12:46 AM

"But what I can't reconcile are the very few ( but very loud ) complaints about the keys being too small with the lack of complaints on boards where the people use the Nspire CX every day ( most being adults/teachers )."
Answer: You need to understand that TI treats teachers much better than other customers and as a consequence teachers for the most part the teachers who use nspires are bindly loyal to TI and would buy dog turds if they were sold by TI. Also keep in mind that teachers are not spending their own money. Expect teachers comments, especially those on the google nspire teachers sight to be blindly biased in favor of what ever TI does. Also, if you follow that sight, you will notice that anytime that someone trys to get a conversation going about the weaknesses of the nspire calcualtors they are shut down by the moderator.

"Aren't a lot of Joe's concerns explained by the fact that the calculator just isn't intended for Joe's audience ? Or did they not focus the development for High School ? It sure seems like that's the focus."
Answer: Take a good look at the math capability of the nspire cx cas. There is a lot of stuff that is college related so it is not clear just what TI is focusing on other than money of course. You might ask them and tell us what you find out.


Teachers would like their students ( and themselves ) to use a calculator that they have trouble keying into ? But why ? Even if the calculators were free for them it wouldn't be worth the headache. For example, I am in the IT profession - pretend that Microsoft, Adobe ( whoever ) offered me free development tools if I would start using it in my department for my other developers. For sake of the example, assume the development software is buggy and difficult to use - causing the department to waste tons of time and money. If there are alternatives, no amount of free software would make up for the fact that the faulty product is causing me to waste more of my time supporting my team ( and listening to them complain ). It just doesn't add up.

I agree there are some features that could be regarded as college related but not really enough for me to consider it on par with an HP50g, for example. Seems obvious it isn't intended to be for engineers.

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Teachers would like their students ( and themselves ) to use a calculator that they have trouble keying into ? But why ? Even if the calculators were free for them it wouldn't be worth the headache. For example, I am in the IT profession - pretend that Microsoft, Adobe ( whoever ) offered me free development tools if I would start using it in my department for my other developers. For sake of the example, assume the development software is buggy and difficult to use - causing the department to waste tons of time and money. If there are alternatives, no amount of free software would make up for the fact that the faulty product is causing me to waste more of my time supporting my team ( and listening to them complain ). It just doesn't add up.

I agree there are some features that could be regarded as college related but not really enough for me to consider it on par with an HP50g, for example. Seems obvious it isn't intended to be for engineers.


You said: pretend that Microsoft, Adobe ( whoever ) offered me free development tools, etc. You need to understand that it is real and not pretending for high school math teachers. They are not spending "their" money, they are spending the tax payers money. Yes, they are tax payers but when they spend several thousand dollars for calculators for a class, the amount that came out of their pocket is virtually zero so in a very real sense for the teacher they are getting the calculators for free and it does not matter what the price paid by the school is. Additionally, the keyboard issue is not that they are non-functional and waste tons of time and money, it is that they are just not a high quality design with the small closely spaced alpha keys that can cause input errors if not dealt with carefully and especially by users with large fingers.

An important thing that you need to keep in mind is that teachers like anyone else want an easy job and teaching students how to press the correct buttons to solve math problems is incredibly easy compared to teaching the math. So count on the high school math teachers who are lazy to use calcuators in their classroom and to fight tooth and nail to keep them there. In addition, when a teacher calls 1-800-ti-cares for help, their call gets almost immediate attention, making their job easy. Because of the support that teachers get from TI, teachers are going to argue tooth and nail to be able to use TI calculators even when they are not the most cost effective solution.

Regarding your mention of the HP50g for engineering work. By all accounts, the Hp50g is mathematically more powerful than any of TI's calculators. Unfortunately it also has a steep learning curve. For that reason some college courses rely on the TI-89, or Voyage 200, or more recently the nspire cas calculators. Not because they are the best calculators for engineering work but because they result in the least amount of hassle for the teacher.

In my opinion, if Hp and Casio provided the same support to the teachers that TI does, I doubt that many teachers would choose the TI calculators.




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